http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Collection of Thoughts Tag: change en Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:24:14 +0000 http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/874#post-19059 Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:11:47 +0000 GrimNexus 19059@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>starion,<br /> what does that have to do with what was first posted?</p> <p>your whole post rests on the presupposition that you are aware of change, then proceed to write a post that revolves around that. It's simply only adding on layers to try and affirm that your assumption is accurate.</p> <p>if you really inquire into what it is to "lose a tooth", then what you presuppose has no basis. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/874#post-18977 Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:45:23 +0000 starion 18977@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>If you lose a tooth, and are unaware that you lost a tooth?<br /> Even the cells of your body know you lost that tooth; you would not see it, feel it, be aware of it? When even your tongue feels the slightest imperfection in your teeth??? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/874#post-18949 Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:06:13 +0000 GrimNexus 18949@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>to have "both" you need to presuppose the existence of what makesup "both" </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/874#post-18948 Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:05:16 +0000 GrimNexus 18948@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>beckett<br /> it can only be "both" when you add the two together</p> <p>Neither means, it's not either to begin with, therefore, neither are needed to even say it's neither to begin with </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/874#post-18944 Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:03:58 +0000 Beckett 18944@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Change is like a river. It's constant, seamless, and never stops. However the more compound the aspect of change the slower it appears to alter. In this way we are able to observe at least the illusion of being. However if all change suddenly stopped it would be like hitting the pause button on the Universe. For the duration of the "pause" we ourselves would have no consciousness or awareness. If the Universe were to suddenly unpause, in our minds it would be as if the Universe never paused at all. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/874#post-18943 Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:58:40 +0000 Beckett 18943@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Both. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/874#post-18941 Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:57:16 +0000 GrimNexus 18941@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Neither. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/874#post-18919 Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:28:26 +0000 steveheivly 18919@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>can you ever be conscious of change, or is change the fabric of our consciousness? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/3#post-14343 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:00:01 +0000 starion 14343@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>AB....(slight blush on face!)...again...thank you... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/3#post-14326 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:18:21 +0000 abstractprophet 14326@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>starion... </p> <p>the warmth and sincerity of your postings is always appreciated...</p> <p>and that doesn't even factor in your brilliant sense of humour... lol... </p> <p>you are loved... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/3#post-14303 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:39:59 +0000 starion 14303@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>You are most welcome star and AB... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/3#post-14273 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:29:32 +0000 abstractprophet 14273@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>starion... thank you so much for sharing another beautiful story... :)</p> <p>asi... although it is agreed what is said re understanding and knowing awe... yet who does not know and understand awe as awe... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/3#post-14243 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:08:27 +0000 AsI 14243@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>"I am groping in the dark. I am not sure what ap and star is saying. I sense that the discussion may have taken an unexpected turn and I find myself in a place not quite knowing where and how to proceed."</p> <p>It appears that the 'language' that was spoken of in another thread by Beckett is a thing that others do not understand. Those that Know 'Awe' do think differently. Why-what do those collective few Know that they understand each other? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/3#post-14220 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:57:06 +0000 starlight 14220@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>niceness...big hugs to you starion...wonderfull sharing... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/3#post-14215 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:09:12 +0000 starion 14215@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>But such incremental changes such as that do not happen overnight. You don't go from glaring and anger to sweet smiles overnight. You do not learn to forgive overnight. You must work at changing your response day after day...bit by bit...just as you don't give up smoking.. by tossing away cigarettes and never thinking about them again, or breaking any bad habit that you've had for a long while... It takes time and rewriting your thinking.... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/3#post-14213 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:05:53 +0000 starion 14213@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Now this incremental change was necessary to my health. It does me no good to harbor anger...it flares out, affects my relationships, my body, my emotions, and my dreams.<br /> Anger affects my work, my energy, my total overall beingness...it's like I'm sitting inside a dark cloud wondering why the sun doesn't shine... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/3#post-14212 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:03:38 +0000 starion 14212@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>You might tell me, with your education, that this kind of playful imaging has no effect on a person. I will tell you this.... my love for my dad, which for over 20 years was angry..resentful, etc...has changed....and the action...has changed my view of what I see, feel and think about relationships... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/3#post-14211 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:00:37 +0000 starion 14211@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>But the most wonderful part of this is that, all that anger, all that rage, all that fury and want for retribution has drained out... and it's as if the original hateful<br /> expanded balloon experience is slowly calming down, returning to a simple moment in time. We expand moments we want to ruminate later... usually moments in which our love has been compromised... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/3#post-14210 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:56:24 +0000 starion 14210@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Now...it is playful and it is fine...because having done this...I restored what could have been....I've admitted that I am a loving daughter,woman, wife, child etc... and that there is enough love in me that wants love. I am also stating by this playful vision of mine, that I respond to love and that my vision was the more preferable one that I would have wanted... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/3#post-14209 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:53:24 +0000 starion 14209@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>In my mind, I rewrote the memory. Instead of a major beating with blood and gore, I had him holding the switch about to do the deed, when suddenly he realizes what he is<br /> about to do and stops...throws the whip away and says "My God, what was I about to do?<br /> I love you; you are my firstborn daughter. How could I hurt you? Oh this is so wrong! I am sorry... and he hugs me and repeats many times...I was so wrong to think that way." </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/3#post-14208 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:50:17 +0000 starion 14208@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>So Yiming.... what I did was to rerun the events I remembered giving them a loving and kinder response that I felt I should have received. You will say I imagined them my way and imagination means nothing...but in my mind having rewritten the "program", I have removed the pain, the misery, the anger and all of that.<br /> Imagine that a moment in time is expanded, blown up into a balloon of anger, of misery, of pain, of love being hurt. Here's this big mental balloon inside your head, crowding out a lot of other stuff. It's dark, it's angry...that's your love having been hurt. When you rewrite the program, you deflate that balloon and that gives room for other stuff to fit in... it won't eliminate the event; it'll soften it. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/3#post-14207 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:45:05 +0000 starion 14207@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Well said, AB.. Deflecting credit, reducing ego...</p> <p> Yiming: My father did some awful things. He wasn't nice to his daughter. He could have been, if someone had been there to teach him to be a loving father. No one was<br /> there; he didn't have the knowledge. Now....though I want to blame him and want to<br /> make him smarter, wiser, etc... I was too young to explain that to Dad whom I then<br /> put on a pedastal because he was my dad. Children elevate their parents: it's the<br /> parents' actions toward the children that change that equation. By the time I realized<br /> this and that...he was dying...and I forgave him and told him about the afterlife.<br /> Yes and someone forgot to clue him in about that too... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/3#post-14192 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:57:41 +0000 abstractprophet 14192@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>is funny but i saw a book of mother theresa quotes today during lunch and picked it up and she said that she does not deserve the credit for her actions it is the christ within her doing the work... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/2#post-14189 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:48:34 +0000 starlight 14189@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>shin~was it not you that said worldly is spiritual? :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/2#post-14178 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:45:13 +0000 abstractprophet 14178@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>missed those last 2 posts... lol...</p> <p>shin...</p> <p>if your still there... </p> <p>what is being said is that to bring about the change to the all... </p> <p>one has to be the all... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/2#post-14177 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:43:42 +0000 abstractprophet 14177@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>star...</p> <p>loving the bandaid for heart surgery anaolgy... it fits very nicely... :)</p> <p>the point re being healthy in oneself is the real issue here... </p> <p>no matter what one does it is only when one fully realises the role ( ) plays in the doing that the actions manifest as truth and has the desired effect... if one is doing simply to get browny points it is just another status grab used to prop up ones identity...</p> <p>when ( ) begins to manifest in everything from a simple smile to someone on the street who looks distressed to handing out food to homeless people truth becomes evident in all... people always respond to this state of being and aspire to it...</p> <p>the system of some offers some truth...</p> <p>the system of all offers all truth... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/2#post-14176 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:35:40 +0000 starlight 14176@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>uhhh...how to live this life here and now; work towards changing the 'whole', and not just concerned on the individual...dah!</p> <p>what happened to wanting to save the world? lol. now that you have my mind fired up, you just want to cut out...you always do this...you know? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/2#post-14174 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:24:16 +0000 shin 14174@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>I am groping in the dark. I am not sure what ap and star is saying. I sense that the discussion may have taken an unexpected turn and I find myself in a place not quite knowing where and how to proceed.<br /> I think this is a good thing but I will have to let it settle first. Besides I have worldly things to do. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/2#post-14173 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:06:15 +0000 starlight 14173@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>that's a good point abby.</p> <p>how are we to communicate something we do not have?</p> <p>unless, and until, we are healthy ourselves, no one is going to want what we have anyways.</p> <p>and if we cannot even agree here...and continually trip over our own beliefs, then what does that say about the depth of anything we would have to give another?</p> <p>if we fix one system, let us say the spiritual system, without fixing ALL of the systems, it is like putting a bandaid on a patient that just had heart surgery.</p> <p>all systems are interconnected, and if we cannot connect with ourselves and each other, what hope do we have of connecting with the world? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/535/page/2#post-14172 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:40:57 +0000 abstractprophet 14172@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>shin...</p> <p>in all sincerity...</p> <p>although it is appreciated what you are saying and your insight has a lot of merit where does it leave the one beaten as a child who grows to beat their child... </p> <p>how can it be productive or proactive to dismiss their claims to the realm of spirit simply because they beat their child as a result of being beaten... how can they know better...</p> <p>sure compassion will ease the pain slightly but unless one stands up and accepts them as they are, without judgement, then trapped within fear and content one will remain... </p> <p>no disrepect but dismissivness is a major stumbling block in breaking the chains that bind us... </p> <p>IMO any doctrine or teaching promoting a philosphy that creates a class system of worthy and worthless is only hindering ones spiritual growth... </p>