http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Collection of Thoughts Tag: good en Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:14:31 +0000 http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/3#post-10521 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:36:29 +0000 starion 10521@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Shin: adding this... All predatory animals, except man give the "victim" time for last words before that final "crunch". In the predatory world, weapons are equal. In man's world, not everyone is armed. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/3#post-10520 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:32:22 +0000 starion 10520@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>And Shin, that awareness is this! If you kill...ie cats killing mice etc, Predatory animals know by instinct that..if you kill you acknowledge that also you are aware that you could be killed by something else on the food chain. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/3#post-10516 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:22:45 +0000 shin 10516@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>I know I am the proverbial square peg in a round hole. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/3#post-10499 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 05:46:43 +0000 starlight 10499@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>i'm glad... :)</p> <p>you always challenge me...and keep me honest with myself...you make my head spin sometimes...and really get me to thinking about what i believe...or do not believe... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/3#post-10496 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 05:18:56 +0000 shin 10496@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Thank you. Your words made my heart glow warmer and brought a smile to my face. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/3#post-10494 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 05:07:34 +0000 starlight 10494@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>i've missed you... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/3#post-10493 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 05:06:57 +0000 starlight 10493@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>and your long reply? :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/3#post-10491 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 04:57:12 +0000 shin 10491@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>My short reply is that in order for something to be transformed it has to be on a different level. If not we can only talk of 'it' being absorbed or transferred, but never transformed. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/3#post-10489 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 04:49:38 +0000 starlight 10489@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>you don't need me to explain it. think about what you said, about life being transformed...you have just made it a good thing, if someone is starving to kill someone else, if they intend to eat them...</p> <p>so in africa, where children are starving, and they have no other food, they can use one form of life to sustain another...and in that case...murder would be a good thing...and the victim would live on through the one that murdered then ate him...</p> <p>this is the problem you run into when you have good and bad... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/3#post-10488 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 04:40:42 +0000 shin 10488@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>How so? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/3#post-10487 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 04:39:21 +0000 starlight 10487@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>just made an arguement for canabalism... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/3#post-10486 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 04:36:43 +0000 shin 10486@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>~star,</p> <p>{food supports life shin, yet food(life) must die to be eatten...<br /> so, destroying one aspect of life is bad, but using this destruction of life to sustain life...is good...}</p> <p>In this case you do not destroy life, you transform it. Living food energy into life energy of another and higher form (though sometimes I wonder). It is the way this world is made up. Evolution is the development of higher, more sophisticated and complex organisms. To 'kill' plants or even animals in order to sustan a developmental process is a legitimate use of resources. What sets it apart from the illegitimate use is that it is life-sustaining, not arbitrary and not self-seeking only. There is an awareness, at least at some level, that whatever is killed will live on through you. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10419 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:33:20 +0000 abstractprophet 10419@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>now now... you gave as good as you got mate... feeling a bit fuzzy myself today in truth... just how it is... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10414 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:16:34 +0000 starlight 10414@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>you're to smart for me tonight! :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10413 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:13:37 +0000 abstractprophet 10413@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>what about god... depends on what is implied by the word god... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10412 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:02:10 +0000 starlight 10412@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>ROTF... :)</p> <p>what about God? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10411 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:56:37 +0000 abstractprophet 10411@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>be careful of all mine fields... lol... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10410 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:55:10 +0000 abstractprophet 10410@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>god having an ego... lol... it occured to me... of course gods ego is as real as a yours or a mine... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10409 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:51:56 +0000 abstractprophet 10409@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>and that is where i will find my good and evil also right... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10408 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:50:25 +0000 starlight 10408@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>are we back to god having an ego? :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10407 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:43:34 +0000 abstractprophet 10407@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>ego is the source of all morally relative judgements and as such is as real as those judgements... in the moment they exist and are real to the individual... outside that moment and the individual they are as real as a you or an i... </p> <p>kill the ego and you kill the need to define and confine... then again in essense there was never an ego to kill in the first place... it is only the appearnce of an ego that in truth is not an ego at all... unless of course it is... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10406 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:30:31 +0000 starlight 10406@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>ego is where ego was last left! </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10405 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:25:48 +0000 abstractprophet 10405@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>no ego... no mind... no me... just ( )... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10404 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:23:53 +0000 abstractprophet 10404@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>further to that if good and evil are not real... where does that leave ego... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10403 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:15:32 +0000 starlight 10403@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>follow it back to its source and see if ego or seperation exists... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10401 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:05:19 +0000 abstractprophet 10401@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>yet whose ego is it... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10400 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:58:28 +0000 starlight 10400@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Shin said:</p> <p>"As I am on the road just a brief comment.<br /> The foundation for the evaluation of good and evil, right and wrong, in this world, is biology, and life. That which supports life is good (right), that which destroys it is bad (wrong).<br /> There are objective measurements in order to evaluate." </p> <p>shin~good to see you post; have really missed you! :)</p> <p>food supports life shin, yet food(life) must die to be eatten...</p> <p>so, destroying one aspect of life is bad, but using this destruction of life to sustain life...is good...</p> <p>chips post dealt with this... :) one leads to the other...cyclic...</p> <p>other examples come to mind also...</p> <p>could you expound on these objective measures... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10398 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:25:44 +0000 starlight 10398@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>the apple is ego...hehe... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10393 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:04:38 +0000 abstractprophet 10393@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>beckett... you know when i first stumbled across the old spiritual discussion forum much like yourself i found difficulties understanding what some there were expressing... it was something that was so foreign to my apparent reality that it made no sense what soever... the question if good and evil are not real then why do they exist, why do i experience them arose time and time again... the doubts and questions were many... since the penny dropped so to speak this apparent life has never seemed so clear... you know the funny thing with all this... it has always been there... it is true that the very thing you seek is in the last place you look... in other words you are what you seek... your queries indicate that you can already see this... :)</p> <p>after my reference to the apple yesterday i decided to go and read the bible that my mother had recently lent me... it was the first time i have really read genesis since i was a child but you know what the apple from the tree of knowledge, the tree of good and evil, is what seperated adam and eve from god... go figure... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/489/page/2#post-10391 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:44:29 +0000 selfseeker 10391@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>[S seeker.....i think in karma yoga (c) sums up (A) and (B) and is the basis for them and all the rest of your post and tho it's labled karma yoga the (c)premise is the same for jnana. cool huh? ]</p> <p>Yeah, that is true. How can the Truth change with change in the way of teaching ? The part of Physics taught in Physical Chemistry remains same what we learn in Physics. Jnan Yoga &#38; Karma Yoga are same in essence. IMO, Jnan Yoga is direct in its approach. </p>