http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Collection of Thoughts Tag: logic en Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:59:32 +0000 http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/698#post-15870 Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:48:52 +0000 AsI 15870@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Then may logic bring you to the logical conclusion of what you seek. If it is a tool then may it serve you well in knowing the one thing you must know. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/698#post-15868 Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:25:28 +0000 Beckett 15868@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Logic to me is a tool, not a guide. We are the one's who choose where it begins and where it ends. Reason is to a philosopher as a paintbrush is to an artist.</p> <p>btw THAT's the reason logic will never fail me starion (or starlight, or whoever it was that said it.) Because I know logic's rightful place. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-15115 Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:22:06 +0000 starion 15115@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Asl: you are flying, flying, flying.... naturally...or did you have a lift?? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-15066 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:35:10 +0000 AsI 15066@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>All is so ok with logic. Just out having fun. No one is wrong. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-15065 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:34:28 +0000 AsI 15065@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Thank-you, Starion. lol </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-15057 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:50:58 +0000 starion 15057@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Asl... contrary...very unlogically contrary.... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-15020 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:20:56 +0000 AsI 15020@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Ooooooooh logic turns me On...............</p> <p>To put more On on On..Ah, oh yes..always more.. IS. :)</p> <p>Is this logical?</p> <p>Who is to say? 'You'? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-15019 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:13:33 +0000 AsI 15019@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Is love logical? </p> <p>Even for 'God'? </p> <p>What if what you think is there isn't? Does it then become 'logical'?</p> <p>"You are asking me if my love will grow? I don't know."~Beatles again </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-15018 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:09:19 +0000 AsI 15018@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>"The Walrus" </p> <p>I am He<br /> as You are He<br /> as You are Me<br /> And We are all together</p> <p>See how they run like pigs from a gun<br /> See how they fly<br /> I'm crying<br /> Sitting on a cornflake<br /> Waiting for the van to come<br /> Corporation T-Shirt<br /> Stupid Bloody Tuesday<br /> Man, you been a naughty boy<br /> You let your face grow long</p> <p>(Chorus):<br /> I am the Eggman<br /> They are the Eggmen<br /> I am the Walrus<br /> GOO GOO GA JOOB</p> <p>Mr. City Policeman<br /> Sitting pretty little policemen in a row<br /> See how they fly<br /> Like Lucy in the sky<br /> See how they run<br /> I'm Crying<br /> I'm Crying<br /> I'm Crying<br /> I'm Crying<br /> Yellow matter custard<br /> Dripping from a dead dog's eye<br /> Crabalocker fishwife<br /> Pornagraphic Priestess<br /> Boy, you been a naughty Girl<br /> You let your knickers down</p> <p>(Chorus)</p> <p>Sitting in an English garden<br /> Waiting for the sun<br /> If the sun don't come<br /> You'll get a tan from<br /> Standing in the English Rain</p> <p>(Chorus)</p> <p>Expert Texpert<br /> Choking smokers<br /> Don't you think the Joker<br /> Laughs at You?<br /> Ho-Ho-Ho-Hee-Hee-Hee-Ha-Ha-HA!<br /> See how they smile<br /> Like pigs in a sty<br /> See how they snide<br /> I'm Crying<br /> Semolina Pilchard<br /> Climbing up the Eiffel Tower<br /> Elementary Penguin<br /> Singing Hare Krishna<br /> Man you shoulda seen them<br /> Kicking Edgar Allen Poe</p> <p>(Chorus)</p> <p>(Oompah, oompah stick in your jumper!<br /> Everyone has one, everyone has one!) ~The Beatles</p> <p>Why is there something logical in this? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-15013 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:34:32 +0000 AsI 15013@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Only ego is logical to have judgement. (Yes, that came from ego. It is a judgement.)</p> <p>:)</p> <p>Weigh not your ego against another for it means nothing. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-15012 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:31:15 +0000 AsI 15012@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>MINDANDHEART~What do You believe in then?</p> <p>"go inside your room lock your door and pray in silence."</p> <p>I have said before that all is perfect, and no one enlightened would be on this forum-including myself. I am not 'enlightened'. In the silence, the Knowing is. Let us not judge each others words for it means nothing but judgement-the first and always 'place' of ego. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-15011 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:26:20 +0000 MINDANDHEART 15011@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Jesus said: go with no fears and without expectation of any kind of rewards and preach to the world the truth.<br /> Not every preacher is trying to impress people and get earthly rewards, nor all the people who are seeking the word of the truth are trying to ware it among others and impress them, go inside your room lock your door and pray in silence, Jesus said.<br /> And that prayer is for the betterment of yourself only. </p> <p>Ramana , comparing his 'motioneless' by sitting in nature silently shutting his mind off and sending waves of peace in the air for the betterment of the world, with a preacher who is trying to send "not loud" a message to his fellow men through words, trying to tell them the truth.<br /> Ramana Maharishi is really impressive....<br /> Bro please do not use the hypocrits christians as an excuse to find an easier way to believe in. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-14970 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:39:46 +0000 AsI 14970@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>"The words tend to corrupt the true message .... because "What Is" can't be expressed exactly in words &#38; can't be grasped by mind."</p> <p>So well said, ss! It cannot be grasped by 'mind'. </p> <p>Again, to all, just as you are not the body, nor the mind, you are not this 'world'.</p> <p>"Greater is 'He' who is in you than 'he' who is in the world.</p> <p>"He who has 'found' the world, has found a corpse."~Gospel of Thomas</p> <p>"Let go your mind, relax and float down stream. It is not dying, it is not dying."~Tomorrow Never Knows"~Jon Lennon </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-14962 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:07:14 +0000 selfseeker 14962@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>[so if emotions and the logic are limited to the brain...show another form or way of communicating ]</p> <p>"Preaching is simple communication of knowledge; it can really be done in Silence only. What do you think of a man who listens to a sermon for an hour &#38; goes without having been impressed by it so as to change his life ? Compare him with another, who sits in holy Presence &#38; goes after sometime with his outlook on life totally changed. Which is better, to preach loudly without effect or to sit silently sending out Inner Force ?". --- Ramana Maharishi. </p> <p>The words tend to corrupt the true message .... because "What Is" can't be expressed exactly in words &#38; can't be grasped by mind. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-14959 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:44:09 +0000 starion 14959@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>HMMMM....shin...odd you would connect to that.... good show.... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-14950 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:43:49 +0000 MINDANDHEART 14950@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>I will help little...in the arms of her lover..... is a part of the story. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-14949 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:28:40 +0000 shin 14949@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>The man was frantically looking for his wife all night. He even called the police over and over again. He was worried sick, besides himself, close to being hysterical. When he stepped into the train he saw her in the arms of her lover. He went temporarily insane and shot her. The police released him on his own recognisances because there was no one to look after their 12 children. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-14944 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:49:27 +0000 MINDANDHEART 14944@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Starion sorry hon, didn't know you are a female till jsut long ago.</p> <p>SS Love, forgivness, giving are not preconditioned, ....they are free choice at will..and that works through the brain....how can I love you but I never thought about it or never knew ? so if emotions and the logic are limited to the brain...show another form or way of communicating !!!!<br /> the judgment is in the action itself, none judges anyone or anything....you walk away from home with only a nickle in your pocket, and when you got hungry you found out that you can not buy anything with it....none is judging you.<br /> Just when time was right you found yourself short, sorry too late lol. </p> <p>About the Murder case....<br /> 1- was she armed ? no<br /> 2-was he paid to kill ? no...can not give hints, figure it out :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645/page/2#post-14941 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:53:55 +0000 selfseeker 14941@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>[Note : Please be logical]</p> <p>Thanks, M&#38;H, you have stopped writing this. :lol: </p> <p>Who likes pre-conditions ? ..... and who will judge who is logical &#38; who is not ? ..... more so, what is logic by the way ? The logic falls within the jurisdiction of mind. Shall we be limited to mind alone ? ... though there is not much choice when we communicate, IMHO. :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645#post-14872 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:03:54 +0000 starion 14872@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>MIND: I am female...I am sister... still a very curious story.... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645#post-14854 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:45:53 +0000 MINDANDHEART 14854@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>No brother, I can answer with yes or no till you find out why he was freed.<br /> It is fun, and same time also relating it to the subject above :). </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645#post-14826 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:27:55 +0000 starion 14826@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Odd story MIND... do I ask why he was freed??? Or is it one of the cracks in the universe that has no explanation??? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645#post-14819 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:33:25 +0000 MINDANDHEART 14819@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>A 48 years man gets on the morning train to work, as he sat on his seat he looked toward his rightside and saw his wife, he pulled out his gun and shot her dead.<br /> The police rushed to the sound of the gun shot, and saw him still holding the weapon and a woman on the floor with blood coming out of her chest dead, they arrested him after identifying him and the woman, and the murder weapon. 30 minutes later the man was released without bail, just walked out free.<br /> Now my brother Shin tell me what is Logical and illogical, what is possible and impossible, and what does make sense and what does not make sense ?<br /> {No play on the words it is a true story}. this might give me a good understanding about the rules of possibilities and logic and what is a common sense :)</p> <p>Ask as many questions as you want, I can only answer with "YES" or "NO". </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645#post-14811 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:46:35 +0000 AsI 14811@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>"Does this not mean that overall God is NULL?"</p> <p>Yes. There is no 'God" outside yourself. 'That' which is looking is what you are looking for. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645#post-14788 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:18:10 +0000 shin 14788@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Logical means that something conforms to the rules of logic. Logical does not mean self-evident, experience'able or common sense. I think there is an attempt to use logical in that sense. That is illogical.</p> <p>Machines are logical just because they have "no heart, no soul, no feelings, no compassion." We are illogical because we are afflicted by these things. We sometimes do things and don't know why. We feel things and don't know why. Where is the logic in that?<br /> That something exists does not mean it is automatically logical. Random events, chaos, is not logical but life still goes on. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645#post-14774 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:03:46 +0000 starion 14774@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Null and 0. I am not a computer. I will never be a computer. Computers have no heart, no soul, no feelings, no compassion. Computers are fancy vehicles that some people think are the end-all be all of life. They are inventions: they serve us. They are to be used, not worshipped. Like cars, like washing machines, like utilitarian items... use em to achieve a purpose...not elevate them..<br /> When computers came into play in the 70's and 80's I was there... making them work in offices... and saying... "This computer has no heart. It has just lost 3 days of my work in the limbo of space... and not once apologized for having done so. Not even a simple apology or "I am sorry!" No heart... Just a simple machine... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645#post-14773 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:57:34 +0000 starion 14773@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>I AM exists. That is logical. I AM is a living entity.. huge..but living...because IT births living universe. Also logical. Life promotes life.. THIS I AM, GOD, provides ITS body in which ALL OF IT EXISTS. We are all within ITS body. All form and unform IS part of IT and not apart from IT. There is nothing that exists that is not part of IT.<br /> I AM/Universe/Creator/God is eternal and everything within it consists of eternal IT as well. You and I are mated (soul/energy+body) at this time, but when body dies..soul continues. We will always be Individual parts of IT while being part of IT. All of the information we have learned as individuals is shared with universe. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645#post-14747 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:30:46 +0000 shin 14747@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>{ I do not know God rather than giving my own prescribtion and mislead people. }</p> <p>Does this not mean that overall God is NULL? On a personal level we can make things up, just as with SQL. In the database engine I work with there is a COALESCE() function which takes 2 arguments, the first one the value (which) can be NULL, and the second one the value to be used IF argument 1 is NULL. So I can say COALESCE('ColumnValue', 0) and that will return the ColumnValue if not NULL and 0 if ColumnValue IS null.<br /> I can now use the COALESCE() result without worrying about NULL's and will always get a valid result. However, the underlying value of the column will remain NULL and it is important to remind ourselves that if it is NULL we have made up a value for it on the fly.<br /> If we now say COALESCE('god', 'loving + merciful') and God is NULL then that means that WE want god to be 'loving + merciful' because it is our COALESCE rule. For someone else it might be COALESCE('god', 'vengeful').</p> <p>'I am God' is a NULL.<br /> 'I am COALESCE('God', 'loving')' is 'loving' but we might as well leave 'God' out and simply say 'I am 'loving''.</p> <p>IOW, whatever God is, what we do, what we are, remains our responsibility and our doing. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645#post-14734 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:46:26 +0000 MINDANDHEART 14734@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Yes brother Chin, the fact that does exist it is logical, and you said "even just as an experience", bro finding common sense and the logic in living experiences, is harder than finding the logic in a stone.<br /> About everyone has his/her own logic, that is true, some say God is "A" some say is "B" or "S+P", and all have their own explanations about how right they are.<br /> We have waited over 2000 years, and yet none came up with a sure results. what I mean results, is like some say it is the super power, yet they can not relief themselves from a headach, some say is loving + merciful, yet they don't even forgive nor love anyone. some say is the center of the universe, how long will it take to point out the center of this unmeasureable universe, wow, they all wrong bro. I rather say I do not know God rather than giving my own prescribtion and mislead people.<br /> God and Love are not null bro. you can not apply the logic of numbers to the logic of feeling. God / 2 = ? ... 5 x forgivness = ? ... Love + 9 = ? .....Correct me if I missed something !!!!! </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/645#post-14722 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:46:33 +0000 shin 14722@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>~D,</p> <p>{ I would suggest that 0 or null is something } </p> <p>You missed the point. Both are indeed something but whereas 0 means that there is nothing of something, NULL means that there is 'unknown' of something. NULL is not zero although in German and maybe other languages a zero is called null.<br /> To reiterate, NULL is NOT a number or a value, it is a STATE, the state of 'unknown'.<br /> Because NULL is not a zero you cannot use it without NULLifying the outcome. </p>