http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Collection of Thoughts Tag: of en Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:38:00 +0000 http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030/page/2#post-21967 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:56:40 +0000 starion 21967@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Thus stating that withholding bodily fluids as a sacrifice in order to find God would depend on the individual choice and the individual will. Personally, God in me found me without that particular sacrifice, but perhaps others...would require such intensities. For me, withholding temporarily was a means of prepping for out of body work, or healing work... but only temporarily... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030/page/2#post-21966 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:53:00 +0000 starion 21966@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>God must know humanity well. Removal of freedom initiates rebellion. Insisting others behave in a certain way in order to arrive at a goal, instigates creative alternatives. Take away responsibility and a human fights to get it back. Each of us has choice and we choose to exercise it...whether it be black jackets and motorcycles, diving into freezing water, tenting in the wilds, flying a two engine, or even an ultralight - diving out of planes or bungee jumping from bridges over gorges. It is a necessity that a human choose his challenges and fight to achieve them for dignity and self-worth.<br /> If a man or woman willingly chooses a sacrifice of any sort, that person must choose the guidelines of that sacrifice and willingly abide by same else the sacrifice is short term and meaningless. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21964 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:09:43 +0000 gatesofgrace 21964@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>starion,</p> <p>The little one sees the light but the darkness remains upon him. (avatar)</p> <p>Now... only he must choose! To be granted even that, is a great focus that should not be ignored. What becomes of his desire will be his destiny? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21945 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:13:57 +0000 starion 21945@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Hey Gates, I love your wowzer.... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21834 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:41:21 +0000 Star 21834@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>understood...however; many cannot see beyond their own conditioning, and YOU pointing that out is infact doing the very thing that you are accusing them of doing...see? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21830 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:28:13 +0000 abstractprophet 21830@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>yet most who become the spacelessness of presence have no need to dicate to 'others' whom as suggested are living in ignorance... this need to continue to express (what ever label suits) from a point without ego (although a new identity has been created) is an anomoly as that which is looking does not have any desire towards any path... </p> <p>to consider oneself a teacher one must see beyond the ego driven identifier and upon taking on that role must surely release all preconditioned judgements that are based within past experiences... until the residue is removed from the slate and it is reflecting absolute clarity one still is reacting to the conditioned mind...</p> <p>by the very nature of it as it is all must be accepted as it is... as such what room is left for judgement (not being judged) unless conditioned in any direction... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21827 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:00:52 +0000 Star 21827@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>as enlightened as the Buddha was, his many vehicles and methods of teaching, was for the benefit of all sentient beings still suffering in Samsara...and so they are still...seeing the very essence of emptiness of all and everything, realizing that it is perfect (which btw means complete) as it is, does not mean that one ignores the ignorance of those still conditioned by the very conceptual dualistic thinking that blocks them from recognizing their own primordial condition and perpetuates their own suffering. the same can be said of Christ, or any being that has recognized their own true nature. since compassion or love or equanimity is one's very nature, is it not logical to assume that realized beings will continue to try and awaken those still asleep to the truth of their own condition...by any means necessary...regardless of the risk imposed to themselves...even if it means being judged cruel and uncompassionate, or even shortsighted? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21823 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:44:51 +0000 abstractprophet 21823@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>one would think having broken through the wall and seen deep within that upon witnessing 'others' all that could be seen is the light that shines within self... yet most having 'captured' a few glimpses still tend to dwell within 'theirs' and 'others' identities failing to respond to the fact that it is I who creates all identities,,, negating any other... as such should one continue to see short comings within 'others' then perhaps they have missed something... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21817 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:13:43 +0000 AsI 21817@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Nope. Missed that. My bad. Still-if you cannot say that you are the Absolute, it's an 'outside' god..and with that usually goes some kind of negative pole-good-bad-beautiful-ugly- we have to get to 'somewhere enlightened' 'thing'-if you follow me. Now if we have no disagreement here, then I have not read what you have written well-but I have always had trouble understanding what you are saying. Maybe less words.. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21786 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:20:47 +0000 gatesofgrace 21786@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Asi,</p> <p>"Now even Satan has the power to repent"</p> <p>This statement can only come from one who sees 'God' as outside of self.</p> <p>Why did you not see and consider what was being shared??</p> <p>[Yet, for most of mankind... that is the point!]</p> <p>Asi, show me anyone who lives within their awakened spirit, who hasn't first united their heart, mind and soul, and who realizes they are an extension of divine consciousness within manifestation... while proclaiming that all are awakened.</p> <p>Let me tell you something inspired by that very anointment! Each Spiritual Master in full awareness would not discount what was offered above as you do. As you do, you stand as a separated entity, from both enlightenment and those born to this world. </p> <p>What do you call your position?</p> <p>There was never any good in Satan... this is based on the insights of Yeshua. My remark was that even in total rejection of the divine consciousness... what remains is that divine consciousness "IS within the ALL" within this manifestation, regardless.</p> <p>Why couldn't you see that? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21783 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:27:36 +0000 Star 21783@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>well, it seems to suit him...it is as if Asi's presence is fading into the light...hehe! can barely see Asi! lol. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21777 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:09:13 +0000 starion 21777@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Asl: you need a stronger, more masculine wowzer... Deep Green...perhaps or a strong intense blue for clarity.... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21771 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:26:22 +0000 AsI 21771@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>"Now even Satan has the power to repent"</p> <p>This statement can only come from one who sees 'God' as outside of self. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21765 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:11:33 +0000 gatesofgrace 21765@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Starion,</p> <p>Yes! Thank You! As one accepts what is seen or served in others without judgment... so must one realize the divine outreach as given. </p> <p>In this, i could never ask another to join any type of worship that was not their own. In fact, if you are opened to divine intervention and the acceptance that follows, why would anyone truly denounce the source of their inheritance... regarding religion. It is inconceivable for me to imagine such a suggestion. Yet, this surely does not prevent me from worshiping in a Hindu/Muslim temple or Synagogue even though born a Christian. Should one, not be born under any such denomination, and find the divine blessing apart from religion... all the better for them! </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21764 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:57:37 +0000 gatesofgrace 21764@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Hey Starion,</p> <p>Missed your post lol! Please if you read my last post above... do so without context for your last above lol! Now i will read yours! </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21763 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:56:08 +0000 gatesofgrace 21763@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Starion,</p> <p>Where do we disagree! What you share is true, for those who have opened themselves for divine intervention!</p> <p>When i point too are those that are resistant to the divine intervention, how does that not agree with you?</p> <p>Star, as we know her now... gives testimony that indicates an offering as you share above. It is amicable as it does so by dissolving any notion of this illusionary perception that is called reality... by denying any existence of it in her speech. She was not the first, and some that share like realizations... are one in her. There was a considered effort that was accepted by those, as well as by the divine.</p> <p>Consider: </p> <p>It is realized above that one cannot will themselves or others to the Divine. Yet, it does not stop the gardener from assisting when he can. Just as some seed fall on good soil and grow tall, others that are on rocky soil need to be nurtured a little longer. Some that fall on the beaten path as they imbibe will surely die, here the gardener does not have time to tend to those that fall so quickly... even as he would love to do so. As each seed has it's calling would that not also apply to the divine outreach? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21762 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:37:31 +0000 starion 21762@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Gates: It happens all the time, but how few hear it...Yet if you have heard it and you respond to that voice in you, you have found the answers you need. Those quiet<br /> whispers...that remind you that you have God Within...that heaven, that joy, that<br /> beauty has always been within you. Tis true you cannot enlighten another; that you yourself can only enlighten you...but perhaps others seeing your light will ask you how you came to know and perhaps they too, will come to understand as you do. Each person must climb his own mountain, wend his own way, search and finally find the whispers that were always there.<br /> Be cautious though. Throughout history, men and women have heard this voice and believing they are the only ones who heard it, founded religions upon it and fell into ego traps. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21760 Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:22:19 +0000 gatesofgrace 21760@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>starion,</p> <p>Such a moment had been experienced, and that realization has never truly been lost as it shifted my perception of so called reality. In this unveiling, what is seen or exposed... are measures that remain in almost each living soul you encounter. What you outline above misses a crucial step in this. If one serves measures that are bound to their known horizons... there they remain.</p> <p>The riveting part of this realization was that no individual can will themself to this. Only was it by letting go, of what one had become... does this or can this became possible. I personally know only a few others who have done so. Now, if one was in their youth and were untainted from the comings and goings of mankind... they could remain in their innocence and be all the more. Few are that, and that was not us. </p> <p>Some here on the cot offer it is not really a shift, it is not this or that, it just is. That is an intellectual realization and has merit for sure. Let it be said, that the state of letting go, has a profound nature of repentance for each realization or awareness, as it points to the commotion that one stirs while they remain in their crafted ego states. Does that mean one is inclined toward some, rather than others? To the contrary, as there is no judgment in this shifted perception, because most all that you see in others was as much in you. Here is a measure of depth that can be seen in this. If you have been cleansed in certain issues or matters that were formerly served; you profoundly realize for the first time... if circumstance occurred where you actually lived another's life... you would surly be contained in that personal illusions for a time. That includes every saint or lost soul out there.</p> <p>Now, what you say is true in the all mighty. She sees this! Knows that what is acted out by mankind is illusionary. But there will be no excuse for those who continue that path. This is why! Should all forms of the illusion be gained. Where wealth, social status, hierarchy, and all such desires are fulfilled; there will still be NO peace or contentment in it. </p> <p>Starion, </p> <p>When you share with me, that each living soul has found that peace and contentment, then this one could picture what you said. It is seen... where Cain and Able were loved equally by the Divine Mother, as love holds no favorites. Yet, what is exposed in their action is what is served in their hearts. The illumination of the one will shine greatly over the other. The one will be snatched from the abyss when seen, the other will not cast the same light. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21724 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:53:27 +0000 starion 21724@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Gates: as you sit at your computer staring at the screen....you feel a hand upon your shoulder.... you look, there is nothing there, but you feel that hand firmly upon<br /> your shoulder...and you hear "This is my son in whom I am well pleased!" and you realized you have just received a blessing from the Almighty God who created this universe. A thousand wonderful feelings flow through you...of joy, of wonderment, of uncontained joy and stupendous love, of pleasant feelings and thoughts... and you realize that nothing you have ever done could displease this God, that this God believes even now, at this moment, you are perfect, as you are... this second....and you realize that you had always been forgiven for everything.....and tears run down your face...for this moment is profound...because you now know what God love is and have felt it, experienced it,...<br /> and now Gates...picture this moment you have just experienced, happening to every single person on this planet... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21705 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 05:57:30 +0000 AsI 21705@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Hmm... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21704 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 05:46:19 +0000 Star 21704@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>lol... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21702 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 05:38:12 +0000 shin 21702@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Since star has nothing to spill, I wondered whether that was an invitation to take part in a "spillage ritual" with her? :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21675 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:35:22 +0000 AsI 21675@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>"i say spill it!"</p> <p>Go girl!!! </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21674 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:01:28 +0000 gatesofgrace 21674@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Clarification on rereading this below.</p> <p>It is absolutely imperative that such matters be placed in context. It will serve no good to say one should be celibate or monogamous or refrain from copulation and sexuality, just by saying it leads to great stuff. Much has to be overcome even to consider such prospects. Religious orders that practice celibacy give testament to that.</p> <p>...just by saying it leads to great(er) stuff.</p> <p>... those that try celibacy without overcoming (immoral seduction) cannot sustain it. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21673 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:56:58 +0000 gatesofgrace 21673@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Starion,</p> <p>Puppy poop! lol </p> <p>Doesn't have the same ring as bullshit does it! One being the cause of some innocent excitement. The other tripped off by deceitful, worthless, deceptive, or insincere behavior.</p> <p>Satanel was thrown from heaven and paradise, and it apparently took a great deal of perseverance by the guardian angels to implore the power of the all mighty to do this from heaven.</p> <p>We were thrown from paradise. Now we reside within the Kingdom Satan declared he could rule. In his defiance he remains. We are in agreement, when you say sex is not a sin. But i assure you, that sex alone will not entice the gate keeper to allow you to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. :shock:</p> <p>Star,</p> <p>You are no longer one to stand idly by and miss the true nature of things. lol! </p> <p>You already said it best with the very notion of a true nature... mentioned elseware. Adam had been given a most compatible partner in Eve. There was no limit to the boundaries they could explore in that. </p> <p>Starion,</p> <p>Eve and Adam, did not yet have the bodies of today requiring digestion and discharge. Nor did they fornicate by way of sexual expression. They did fall into seduction. Seduced by the powers offered, opposing the covenant between God and themselves. In this they fornicated. The tree of life was commissioned to sustain all who were in agreement to that relationship. Failure in this was a consequence that mitigated death to man and death nor decay belonged in paradise. Yet, his seed was given dominion over the earth and it remains. </p> <p>Now even Satan has the power to repent, as do mankind. It would mean accepting the good that emanates from God creator, and replacing that with the attributes that fornicate against this goodness. Some new agers today who accept enlightenment have already renounced this battle for reconciliation, and feel that such notions are simply a hindrance to avoid. Yet, for most of mankind... that is the point! </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21672 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:38:18 +0000 starion 21672@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>enough foolishness... Here it is. You were not thrown out of heaven because of guilt or being bad. You are not being punished for anything you could think of. Living on this earth is good and healthy, not a punishment, a hell you must endure or cannot escape from. (Regardless of 20 decades of being told differently!!!) Your body is perfect as it is and all that it does is perfect. Sex is not a sin, nor is taking care of your body. (regardless of what you have been told.) Some people have a belief that in order to be more spiritual you must give up things you enjoy... {Puppy poop!!!!!!!!!!!!)<br /> Believing you are bad, unhealthy, doomed or otherwise impeded from perfection, will lead you places you would not go otherwise... Thousands of examples....priests who could not handle celibacy. Of course not... They'd be more sane if they didn't have that problem....added to other problems they handle... I personally know some men of the cloth who take holiday a couple of times a year, sans clerical garb, in order to release with a willing companion... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21666 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:30:38 +0000 Star 21666@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>i say spill it! </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21661 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:54:43 +0000 gatesofgrace 21661@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>shaman 115,</p> <p>Greetings!</p> <p>It is absolutely imperative that such matters be placed in context. It will serve no good to say one should be celibate or monogamous or refrain from copulation and sexuality, just by saying it leads to great stuff. Much has to be overcome even to consider such prospects. Religious orders that practice celibacy give testament to that. </p> <p>Here, Yeshua made this very clear by saying that all manner of accounts applied, first must be considered in the whole, before such practices are encouraged.</p> <p>8 Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."<br /> 10 The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."<br /> 11 Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others have been made eunuchs; and others have renounced marriage [c] because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."</p> <p>Two accounts should be considered here but most overlook them.<br /> 1.) It was not this way from the beginning.<br /> 2.) …no consideration for divorce except sexual immorality.</p> <p>It was not this way from the beginning. If in the presence that shares a state of holiness with the creator… how would ones heart become hard? The knowledge of good and evil was not granted or known or measured in any form of practice. After the fall in Eden, Adam and Eve appeared naked and hidden.</p> <p>…no consideration for divorce except sexual immorality.</p> <p>One should consider that in this acquired awareness they copulated in a state that was without guidance or proficiency (combining) both elements good and evil as “one” hence sexual immorality. Disregarding the presence of his/her Holiness (relationship shared), as well as in Eden the holy blessed domain. This doesn’t go over very well.</p> <p>To continue in this… it is a rocky road for most all, to now re-establish this union. Few have done so. One must remain in the innocence of a pure heart. Mary in the temple for one, and others that were devoted to God by their parent’s oath to conceive… are the easiest to recognize. </p> <p>The post is a most excellent topic :wink: but again a context must be established. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21655 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:41:28 +0000 InfiniteRose 21655@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>kundalini maddness </p> <p>I cannot attempt to catch the wind<br /> and store it inside a box :roll:</p> <p>"A person does not have to be behind bars to be a prisoner.<br /> People can be prisoners of their own concepts and ideas.<br /> They can be slaves to their own selves".</p> <p>love rose </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/1030#post-21645 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 04:20:31 +0000 shin 21645@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>One has to seriously question this theory about the VF and the necessity to not spill it. </p>