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Collection of Thoughts Tag: peace http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Collection of Thoughts Tag: peace en Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:53:17 +0000 YetAnotherSeeker on "oooopppppssss!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/5#post-8862 Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:04:33 +0000 YetAnotherSeeker 8862@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Star, I love your technical vocabulary e.g., "edit thingy"! xia123 on "The top and down authorities collude and play tricks crazy on rights" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/369#post-7625 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:49:42 +0000 xia123 7625@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Need the dead man be imposed a fine! Are they really crazy? The top and down authorities collude and play tricks crazy on rights. Confirming Letter of Reliability of Road Traffic Accident Road Traffic Accident Punishment Order Primitive evidence Also has many in... ... <a href="http://www.freepowerboards.com/xiayuan/xiayuan-about1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.freepowerboards.com/xiayuan/xiayuan-about1.html</a> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In traffic accident, there are four circumstances under which the party will not be punished according to the regulation: the third one is that if the party dies in the accident, the party will not be charged with the penal and administration responsibility. That is whether the party has peccancies in the accident and whether the party has responsibility for the accident, he will not be given penal or administration sanctions. There is a clear and definite regulation in How to presume the traffic accidents because of drunk- driving, if the accident was made by the drunk- driving, the driver should be responsible for the accidents. My name is XIA Yuanfeng, a Chinese citizen living in Liaoyuan City, Jilin Province. On the lantern festival 2005, the head of letters and visitors office from Public Security Bureau of People’s Republic of China came to Liaoyuan City in order to coordinate this case, and he said the troublemaker should be responsible for All responsibility of Decision on Re-ascertainment of Liability for Traffic Accident should be changed and investigated. However, until now, there is no effect, even though I have gone to Beijing to appeal to the higher authorities for several times. The top and down authorities collude and play tricks crazy on rights. After the criminal happened, the handling traffic department didn’t impose any criminal and administrative punishment to the troublemaker who killed a person because of the traffic accident, nor detained the troublemaker even only one day. What it did was setting the criminal free. Because I couldn’t accept the decision sentenced by the Ministry of Public Security, I went to Beijing to appeal to higher authorities for help. To my surprise, I was detained by the authority and had labor education and then detained again. After the criminal happened, the handling traffic department didn’t impose any criminal and administrative punishment to the troublemaker who killed a person because of the traffic accident, nor detained the troublemaker even only one day. What it did was setting the criminal free. Because I couldn’t accept the decision sentenced by the Ministry of Public Security, I went to Beijing to appeal to higher authorities for help. To my surprise, I was detained by the authority and had labor education and then detained again. A relative of the peacebreaker said in the office of accident ministry: We just bumped a person to death! It is not a big matter! The administrative executive department, which is responsible for handling the accident is not to Remove Criminal Cases to judicial organizations to solve the problem, and plots out responsibility on purpose irregularly. Additionally, they impose responsibility to the victim and force to collect penalty. In recent ten years, I rushed about to appeal to the higher authorities for help in Beijing. However, there is still no just solution. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I: They are so deliberate and crazy On four o’clock forty on the afternoon of November 13th, 1998, at the place one meter west from the center of the crossing of a road junction, less than 200 meters from the north of Liaoyuan City Mining Bureau General Hospital, where (it is said by the criminal that) the visibility was two to three hundred meters and had good sight and open zone, because Xu Shaoqi, a resident of Sun Rising Rural of Lighthouse Village in Xi’an District, Liaoyuan City, was drunk driving and over speeding and driving conversely (according to the fact that the victim did not have traces that showed being hit on his body and the position of the hitting point on the body of the bike, it can be proved that Xu was truly driving conversely on the left driveway. This fact has been testified.) when the two speeding Ji D-50813 South 125 B-side two-wheel motorcycles hit my older sister Xia Lianqun (hereinafter referred to as the victim) who was passing the road normally pushing a bike and bumped her far to more than ten meters, Xu did not take any measures and looked on with folded arms. His subjective hostility is evident. He deliberately dragged on for nearly one hour and then sent the victim to the hospital which is only two hundred meters away from the crime scene. Because the lunatic criminal wished the victim died and deliberately dragged on without aids for the victim the victim died from the excessively bleeding. Xu Shaoqi knew clearly that the victim could die if he gave no curing measures. His subjective hostility is one important element of murder. Traffic accident and giving no aids are in the same process of Xu Shaoqi’s crime. The main reason of victim’s death is that Xu did not adopt necessary curing measures. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- II: Accident disposal authority evaded laws The authority did not punish the criminals but punish the unaccountable victim (forcibly imposed responsibilities on her). The perpetrator hit the pedestrian but got no punishment! Why are the two serious peccancies of after drink and over speed written into the Road Traffic Accident Advisor? Why to amerce the dead victim? In traffic accident, there are four circumstances under which the party will not be punished according to the regulation: the third one is that if the party dies in the accident, the party will not be charged with the penal and administration responsibility. That is whether the party has peccancies in the accident and whether the party has responsibility for the accident, he will not be given penal or administration sanctions. There is a clear and definite regulation in How to presume the traffic accidents because of drunk- driving, if the accident was made by the drunk- driving, the driver should be responsible for the accidents. In Nov. 30, 1998, the professional executing authority the accident disposal unit of Liaoyuan City traffic police detachment (hereinafter referred to as the accident unit) issued the NO. 2110153 Road Traffic Accident Responsibility Cognizance which says that the accident perpetrator drove speeding after drinking and made the victim die. But the authority deliberately exculpated for the criminal and unlawfully judged that the criminal should take the subordinate responsibility and forcibly imposed on the decedent in the accident main responsibility and gave the victim one hundred Yuan penalty according to the NO.2110153 Road Traffic Accident Responsibility Cognizance. The accident unit officiates in deputy of the nation. The head of the accident unit Zhang said, The responsibility partition of the accident is studied and made by our whole community The third item of the thirty-third article in Constitution of the People's Republic of China writes the nation respects and ensures human rights. The police department defied and trampled human rights and forcibly imposed responsibility on the victim and gave the victim penalty of one hundred Yuan. Who can say the behavior lacking consciousness is the safeguard of human right? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- III: After the accident the accident unit dealt with the case collectively. It is the accident unit that released the criminal. On the second day after the accident, the head of accident unit Zhang and other two people came to the Liaoyuan City Mining Bureau General Hospital (note: I was hit by Audi car of the head of Anshu Mine of Liaoyuan City Dongliao County in 1997 and had to accept cure in hospital because of the left leg tibial fracture. the bad skills of the doctor caused a nonunion of my leg. The hospital colluded with the mine head and misguided me that my leg was healed and forcibly transacted the procedures for leaving hospital without my consent, which led to my second operation. Because my sister’s case has not finished and I was put into prison for reeducation through labor, the case of Anshu Mine traffic accident economic compensation is discontinued on the court of first instance), and lied to us, the perpetrator escaped from our accident unit. We sent three troops of people but did nit catch him. On the same day in the accident unit, Zhang said the perpetrator did not have the ability to compensate and asked us to negotiate with the dependents of the perpetrator about the compensation. He tried not to lawfully investigate the criminal’s penal responsibility and finish the penal case personally. I clearly expresses on the spot, the perpetrator has no money. We may accept none of the compensation of more than 38,900 Yuan. But the perpetrator committed a crime and he must receive punishment and be put into prison for the period he deserves. But Zhang said to us, you are too fractious to return unless you get a lesson. At last you will be hurt badly and come back to beg them on kneels. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IV: Illegal System The person who investigates this case in the Traffic Police Brigade didn’t allow my lawyer to peruse the paper; he said that Their authorities didn’t allow us to peruse the paper. It is obvious that the system has flaws during handling the case, disobeying the legal principle. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- V: Not handing over the criminal case The Traffic Police Brigade disobeyed the facts and law deliberately. They counterfeited materials, concealed the state of affairs, played tricks, changed the nature of the criminal case, set criminals free on purpose and refused to hand over the case to he judicatory organ. They have violated the Article eleven in Provisions on the Procedures for Road Traffic, which content is If it is needed to give criminal sanction to the person who is responsible for the traffic accident, the person should be handed over to the judiciary. The provincial and city procuratorate did not give Cases for Direct Acceptance to the executive department to handle cases collectively of Not to Remove Criminal Cases. The troublemaker offended three regulations, that is, drunk-driving, speeding and reversing, and led to one person’s death. It is a serious traffic accident. According to the Article 133 in The Criminal Law of the PRC, the troublemaker committed the Traffic Criminal. However, because the Prosecutorial Organization counterfeited the material and changed the nature of the criminal case, as a result, in accordance with the Article 402 Inscape Crime of not handling over Criminal Case with Malpractice for self and the regulations 1,5,6,8 in Article 2 (Ten) Supreme People’s Procuratorate Provisions on the Criteria for Filling Case form The Criminal Law of the PRC, I handed in the letter complain to the chief procurator of the procurator’s Office in Liaoyuan City and reflected the facts that the leader of the Traffic Police Brigade and the criminal Xu Shaoqi all come from the same countryside. The focus of this criminal case is the leader of the Traffic Police Brigade. However, Zhang procurator did not make a response to the information; he sheltered the criminal and threatened us to be careful, in case that we would be punished. He gave us written decision of no case-filling of criminal appeal and then finished the criminal case. (In 2004, the chief procurator of the procurator’s Office in Liaoyuan City said that As long as I was the chief procurator, I would never place a case on file for investigation and prosecution for you. The top and down authorities collude and play tricks crazy on rights. In 1999, I appealed to the higher authorities for help, People’s Procuratorate of Jilin Province and on October 11th, 1999, People’s Procuratorate of Jilin Province gave this malpractice not handling over criminal case to the Public Security Bureau of Jilin Province. People’s Procuratorate of Jilin Province helped a tyrant to do evil. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People’s Procuratorate of Jilin Province () Ji Jian Xin Zi No. (without No.) Xia Yuanfeng: The problem which is reflected in your letter (which belongs to the ministry of Public Security) has been transferred to (Public Security Bureau of Jilin Province) be dealt with. You could contact with them directly. October 11th, 1999 The reception office on accusing and appealing in People’s Procuratorate of Jilin Province (marked with official stamp) The administrative executive department, which is responsible for handling the accident is not to Remove Criminal Cases to judicial organizations to solve the problem, and plots out responsibility on purpose irregularly. Additionally, they impose responsibility to the victim and force to collect penalty. In recent ten years, I rushed about to appeal to the higher authorities for help in Beijing. However, there is still no just solution. Ministry of Public Security - This case hung in the balance for a long time, they insist on the unfair Road Traffic Accident Responsibility Confirming Letter and refuse to cancel or change it according to the People's Police Law of the People's Republic of China. They refuse to execute the law fairly…… -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The ministry of Public Security disobeyed the division responsibility deliberately, and imposed a fine to the dead victim. In the meanwhile, Public Security Bureau insisted on refusing to change the artificial and wrong Decision on Re-ascertainment of Liability for Traffic Accident by its subordinate. People’s Procuratorate of Jilin Province connived and took sides of the Public Administrative Enforcement of Law Organization and People’s Procuratorate of Liaoyuan City, so I have to appeal to the higher authorities for ten years since 1998. Due to that, I (the brother of the victim) was detained for twice and had a labor education for once, which is I was forced to be detained on May 30th, 2004. (If you want to condemn somebody, you can always trump up a charge) On July 18th, 2006, I was detained in Beijing again. On March 21st, 2001, a special case group of four accredited by public security bureau at the levels of provinces came to Liaoyuan, the minister of accident department (two of the members belong to provincial Pointsmen Chief Group, who are original handlers of this case) gave us an unwritten response: Drunk driving is peccancy, but peccancy should not take main responsibility to this accident. Because ‘drunk driving’ has no direct relationship with the death of the victim: the team leader of specialist group, the minister of supervision department of public security bureau at the levels of provinces also said: ‘Drunk driving’ is a fact, but ‘speeding’ is not confirmed. Having no alternative, I had to go to Beijing to appeal to the higher authorities in May, 2004. However, I was send away under escort to Liaoyuan City and thrown into the detention jail by the order of Secretary of a municipal committee. At that time, the Secretary of a municipal committee led a group of people to hold a Pipa Performance in Beijing. We had a grievance to meet the higher authorities in Beijing, so the letter and visits office in State Council of the People’s Republic of China imposed a fine to Liaoyuan City, secretary of a municipal committee and the mayor. They didn’t take into consideration of the security, procuratorate and justice, while they refined the unjust, framed-up and wrong case. When they came back, they defamed the truth publicly, confused right and wrong, and slandered and distorted the facts. They were afraid of their official career, so they helped one another and helped tyrant to do evil. They ignored the national law openly and suppressed the common people who have a grievance. We, the seven persons, who appealed to the higher authorities for help were detained for fifteen days. After thirty-four day’s detention, I was sentenced to have a labor education for one year. Their reason was disturbing the order of public place, which they trumped up. Their reason was the untruth and so-called riot before the gate of Central Organization Department which was provided by Central Organization Department and our complaining about an alleged injustice before the Chairman Mao’s Mausoleum which was provided by the Public Security Official Branch Office in Tian’anmen area. The secretary collaborated with Central Organization Department and Public Security Official Branch Office in Tian’anmen area, so they made unwarranted accusation. In other words, the true facts were imposed on me and the secretary, Central Organization Department and he Public Security Official Branch Office in Tian’anmen area helped a tyrant to do evil openly. Just like the old saying If you want to condemn somebody, you can always trump up a charge. On a second thought, my so-called extreme behavior is compelled by them. Because the Ministry of Public Security disobey the law and made the case of injustice firstly, in accordance with the Chinese related stipulation, if I should be punished, only the Security Department in Beijing area had the right to impose a fine, not others. After the decision for me to have a labor education for one year was made, they did not send me to the Labor Education Department to execute, while during more than twenty days in the detention jail, I received inhuman treatment. I had to get up at three o’clock everyday slept until eight or nine pm., I only could have a rest and in the midnight and went to bed. Except the three meals, I have no time to release, because I had to finish the certain number of toothpicks. Under the special treatment by the secretary(Zhao Zhen-ql), I shared bedroom with another five persons, however, the bedroom could hold three persons. Every night, after seventeen hours’ working, three persons did not know where they will sleep tonight. Despite the six persons stand, the space is also limited. It is known that, it is the hottest time in a year, so does Northeast China. During more than twenty days, we did not allow to have a breath of fresh air. Although I was working for seventeen hours, I was quiet tied and couldn’t go to sleep in the night. What’s more, the persons around me all had scabies, later, I was infected. I suffered both the physical and mental torture under the special treatment, in the meantime, my son was in the senior school, (After my wife was dead in 1989, I lived with my son), and my son depended on my support. During these days, the criminal in my room who was sentenced for eleven years (it was said that he raped his mother), he rebuked me that although I was forty years old, I was so silly … and the reason is that I had a grievance, and nobody could look after my son. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the lantern festival 2005, the head of letters and visitors office from Public Security Bureau of People’s Republic of China came to Liaoyuan City in order to coordinate this case, and he said the troublemaker should be responsible for All responsibility of Decision on Re-ascertainment of Liability for Traffic Accident should be changed and investigated. However, until now, there is no effect, even though I have gone to Beijing to appeal to the higher authorities for several times. The top and down authorities collude and play tricks crazy on rights. According to If the superior ministry of public security considers there are some mistakes in the traffic accidents which judged by the ministry of public security at a lower level, but the victim do not apply to re-ascertainment, how can we do? and the superior ministry of public security considers there are some mistakes in the traffic accidents which judged by the ministry of public security at a lower level, how can we do?, The Public Security Bureau of the PRC should correct the wrong decision on re-ascertainment of liability for traffic accident, which is known by everyone and lasted for nearly ten years. The Public Security Bureau of the PRC should not continue to safeguard the mistake made by the subordinate, to ensure a correct understanding of the facts. Ministry of Public Security: ……Although I do not deny that the peacebreaker should take on total responsibility of this accident, the written reply of Road Traffic Accident Reliability Reconfirming Letter of making the peacebreaker take on total responsibility is still not worked out. It causes that the artificial irregular grievance has not had a just parlance, so that the body of the inculpable victim is still kept in the funeral home, and can not get cremation. The Public Security Department and the high authority in the Letters and Visitors Department delayed the case which led to the case held up. On March 13th, 2006, I went to Beijing again, when I was on the way to hand in the The visitor registration form to the General Office of the CPC Central Committee and General Office of the State Council of the PRC to hand in the form of Register form of visitors on day ahead (March 12th, 2006 No. 81), I was arrested by five persons who were dispatched by the director of letters and visitors office from Liaoyuan City. The five persons punched me in order to prevent me from meeting the higher authorities. They put me under house arrest forcedly with result that I couldn’t send the facts to the higher authority. A case involving human life is to be treated with the utmost care. Our country is ruled by law, why they can be so arrogant? The secretary of politics and law ministry advised us to withdraw the lawsuit, and said You have sued in the Ministry of Public Security for eight years, and there will be no change in another eight years! Your case is a small piece of cake in Liaoyuan! The minister of City Bureau for Letters and Calls said: Only the U.N. can solve the problem…… Can they not pay one’s life, who is their backstage supporter? To sum up, after the case happening, the Public Security Department and the Traffic Police Brigade played tricks, freed the criminal, made the unreal evidence, prevented the lawyer to peruse the paper, hided the truthful facts, broke the division responsibility law, forced the responsibility and imposed a fine to the dead victim, and then they counterfeited the material and changed the nature of the criminal case. For many years, the local government collaborated with the top authorities of Security, procuratorate and justice helped a tyrant to do evil. They sheltered criminals, the related offices and the persons who were responsible to this case. I wish the persons who offend against the law become a Buddha the moment they drop their cleaver as soon as possible. What else can I expect? For years of appealing to higher authorities for help and every department made excuses, it was so difficult, pessimistic, disappointed and had no alternative. In order to safeguard the basic human rights, although I desired to appeal for redress of a wrong for my sister. Time flies, I have spent nearly 10 years to work very hard among the different departments with sheer misery. The local Security, Procuratorate and Justice departments ignored the national law. The powerful top authorities helped tyrant to do evil, which made me too tired to continue living and my child’s studies. I am nearly in the stage of collapsing for several times. My bearing capacity is limited! I have no other alternatives; I request the media and friends all over the world to give me a hand. Give back my rights and justice. Give back the truth Justice to the Chinese Law to awe the local government and the vicious power of the Security, Procuratorate and Justice departments. I do not have the aim to damage the image of our country. Please forgive me. I have nothing to wish only hope the related department finish the case earlier, and give the victim a fair, reasonable and justice statement. Let the victim have his bones buried. Meanwhile, I appeal to the international just people who maintain people’s rights and can help me to get justice. Let’s build a harmonious society! Liaoyuan City, Jilin Province Brother of Victim: Xia Yuanfeng -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ⅰ The following is clearly written in No. 2110153 Road Traffic Accident Reliability Confirming Letter made by Liaoyuan Traffic Accident Handling Group of Pointsmen Detachment on November 30th, 1998: Confirming Letter of Reliability of Road Traffic Accident No. 2110153 Time: November 13th, 1998 16:40 Place: Thirty meters before Yindu bathhouse on Kuangdian Street On November 13th, 1998 16:40, Xu Shaoqi (male, 50-year old), an inhabitant of Sunrise 4th Group, Dengta Village, Xi’an District in Liaoyuan City, drove Southern125B mode motorcycle marking Ji D50813 from north to south along Kuangdian Street. When he drove thirty meters south to Yindu Bathhouse, because of drunk driving and speeding, he crashed with Xia Lianqun (female, 41-year old, a worker of Liaoyuan Coal and Machine Factory), who was crossing the road from the east of the road by a bicycle. Xia Lianqun was hurt on the head and died after void salvage of the hospital on the same day. According to the investigation on spot, it is confirmed that party Xia Lianqun did not implement traffic rules or pay attention to keep away from passing vehicles, which offended The Regulation of the People’s Republic of China on Road Traffic Administration the 58th item in Rule No. 7 and the 3rd item in Rule No.7, and that behavior was the main cause of the accident. Party Xu Shaoqi’s drunk driving and speeding disobeyed The Regulation of the People’s Republic of China on Road Traffic Administration the 6th item in Rule No.26 and The Regulation of Jilin Province on Road Traffic Administration the 7th item in Rule No.46, which was the subordinate cause of the accident. According to Rule No.19 in The People’s Republic of China for Handling Road Traffic Accidents, it was confirmed that Xia Lianqun took the main responsibility to the accident and Xu Shaoqi took the subordinate responsibility to the accident. Transactor: Gao Jian, Liu Qiang (with name print) Liaoyuan Traffic Accident Handling Group of Pointsmen Detachment (with cachet) November 30th,1998 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ⅱ The deceased who should not have taken responsibility to the accident was not only imposed the responsibility but also forced to pay 100 RMB as penalty: Road Traffic Accident Punishment Order No. 2110153 Time of Proclaimnation: November 30th, 1998 Party: Xia Lianqun Female, 41-year old on November 13th, 1998 She has a traffic accident thirty meters south to Yindu Bathhouse on Kuangdian Street, who should take the main responsibility. According to Rule No.20 of The People’s Republic of China for Handling Road Traffic Accidents, she is punished for 100 RMB. Administrative reconsideration petition to the legal department of higher Public Security sub-bureau is permitted within fifteen days if there is any disagreement. Statutory delegate：Xiao Tongshan (with name print) Liaoyuan Traffic Accident Handling Group of Pointsmen Detachment. (with cachet) This copy is for the punished party. （deceased） -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ⅲ Procuratorate denied the fact on purpose and did not place a case that should be put on record by law: People’s Procuratorate of Jilin Province Liaoyuan City Longshan District Notice of Not Placing a Case (2000) No. 1 of Liaolong Inspection law of Not Series Xia Yuanfeng sued related people in Liaoyuan Traffic Accident Handling Group of Pointsmen Detachment for Irregularities for Favoritism. According to the censor of procuratorate, no criminal evidence is collected and discovered. We inform you that the case is decided not to be placed according to Rule No. 86 of Criminal Procedure Law of the People’s Republic of China. People’s Procuratorate of Liaoyuan City Longshan District (with cachet) July 12th, 2000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ⅳ Contract with Funeral Home Contract No. 0000893 Time of arrival of body: April 6th, 1999 Sender: Xia Yuanfeng Add: No. 6 Team in 4 Group of Nankang Street, Longshan District. Tel: __ _ Responsibility of Sender: 1, Be charged for keeping body 2, Make compensation of the losses and damages of public properties in the funeral home. 3, The contract works in Liaoyuan. 4, The fee for keeping body should be settled a day before moving out the body. 5, Invoice is not reissued out of regulated period of time. 6 This contract is executed in triplicate. 7 Be Effective with signatures of both parties. Service department of Funeral Home management: Driver: Cui Jinghua Monitor: Guan Yunfeng Add: 83 Xiangyang Street Tel: 0437-3512999 Responsibility of Funeral Home: 1, Be responsible for keeping the body. 2, Pick up the body for free. 3, Friendly negotiation is preferred to solve problems if there is any dissension, if it does not work, both sides can lodge a complaint to People’ Court。 Confirming Letter of Reliability of Road Traffic Accident Road Traffic Accident Punishment Order Primitive evidence Also has many in... ... <a href="http://www.freepowerboards.com/xiayuan/xiayuan-about1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.freepowerboards.com/xiayuan/xiayuan-about1.html</a> Peyotero on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6484 Wed, 16 May 2007 20:47:41 +0000 Peyotero 6484@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Don't know about all the plots and matters you are discussing. However if the CIA was not out there stirring things up we most likely would not be in this pickle. They train these people and fund them and then it turns around and bites us on the ass! starion on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6384 Mon, 14 May 2007 21:49:36 +0000 starion 6384@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Maybe his royal Bush doesn't want to lose those oil wells he fought so hard for. Profit in oil. Higher prices at the pumps. He's bilking you and us hand over fist. Arioch on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6383 Mon, 14 May 2007 20:57:29 +0000 Arioch 6383@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Osama is a cover up story. Do you know the week after 9/11 is what really changed the world? It is legal to assassinate people again did you know that? The Geneva Convention was turned to shit from 9/11. We are Terrorists in our own country because of 9/11 and Homeland security. People that truly cause problems are easier to find when we are not at war. Specialy trained groups that spend there nights hunting are the way to go. Soldiers are not police. They were never meant to be. This war is only still going on now because to pull out makes us look so Stupid. And the Heretic they call GWB is not someone that takes looking bad to well. Radicals come in all religions. Why we continue at this point becaomes more obvious for one creepy reason. Wanna hint? Read Revelations. Arioch on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6382 Mon, 14 May 2007 20:46:59 +0000 Arioch 6382@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Tim Mcveigh is a patsy. Peyotero on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6329 Mon, 14 May 2007 04:58:05 +0000 Peyotero 6329@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ PPS I was talking about radical Islam, the die has been cast don't know how we're going to get out of this pickle. I'm sure 99% of religious people are fine, it's the nut jobs like Tim McVeigh or Osama that are real problems. Walking away does not stop them, I would imagine. Peyotero on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6328 Mon, 14 May 2007 04:53:53 +0000 Peyotero 6328@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ PS Please don't tell Tex Mars about the blue plate special thing or he will have a field day! Peyotero on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6327 Mon, 14 May 2007 04:51:05 +0000 Peyotero 6327@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ George Bush is NOT a Freemason, this I know for a fact. The last president that was a Mason was Gerald Ford. There is so much nonsense published about the Masons that it is hard to sort out. Tex Mars (a former Mason) makes the most wild claims of all, tales that even involve space aliens and that rock on Mars that looked like a human face. Jack T. Chick, publisher of those little religious tracks links them to the demon Baphomet. Yes a lot of ancient knowledge within Masonry but why does that make it a bad thing? What I do know is that my son is alive and a sucessful person thanks to them! I did see one conspiricy involving the Masons however, they tried to get Judy down at the Good Earth to extend the blue plate special past 6:00 PM. Heavy stuff there, boy I'll tell yua. Arioch on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6309 Mon, 14 May 2007 01:20:27 +0000 Arioch 6309@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Freemasonry was suppressed in the Nazi regime because Hitler was an occult fanatic. Up to and including haveing his own mystic. I dont YET know the true nature of masons but everything i find points to politicians. masons have a huge occult background and force the worship of no particular religion on anyone. That i do like. I was very close to becoming one but i just dont know what direction they will go in the end. Arioch on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6306 Mon, 14 May 2007 01:14:04 +0000 Arioch 6306@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ By the way Templar are responsible for the first real banking systems that still exist today. Arioch on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6305 Mon, 14 May 2007 01:11:16 +0000 Arioch 6305@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ No they dont care as long as we are not trying to kill them and change there religion through Missionaries. Islamics are peacful but they believe (rightfully) that we are evil. Any outsider will tell you we are a lost cause unless our Government wants to turn over the reigns lol yaa right. Walking away is the right solution we have no right to say anything to any other country period. We are not the world police but somehow we think we can. Even if they want Nuclear power its there right. 9/11 was done by us not anyone else. It gives Homeland security the right to call anything they want an act of terror. We are going to be policed by our own government very soon. What happened to we the people? I love my country but i HATE the people that run it. Freemasons are a hard group to put a finger to. But i know the President is one. there linneage goes back to the Templar, Solomon, and the Ancient Egyptians. I hope you are right but there secrecy and the people that belong to there group are mostly politicians. Sorry for the meandering lines i get so much third chakra work while i think about this stuff. Peyotero on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6303 Mon, 14 May 2007 00:36:34 +0000 Peyotero 6303@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Arioch, I basically agree with what you are saying. But I wonder if simply walking away is a solution or if there is any solution. I have seen interviews with terrorists and they will not be happy or stop until we (America) convert to Islam. starlight on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6272 Sun, 13 May 2007 21:35:49 +0000 starlight 6272@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ is already in the works... Anam on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6266 Sun, 13 May 2007 21:27:51 +0000 Anam 6266@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ The war in Iraq will end when a new enemie has been created, give it another year. Anam selfseeker on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6238 Sun, 13 May 2007 15:58:18 +0000 selfseeker 6238@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Good info, Peyo ! Thanks. :) Peyotero on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6235 Sun, 13 May 2007 15:04:46 +0000 Peyotero 6235@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ The Freemasons are the oldest and largest fraternal order in the world, so old there are no records left as to their beginnings. There are a lot of ideas regarding how the Freemasons started, but most likely it began as a response to the Inquisition. People needed a place to exchange ideas without fear of being burned at the stake. Famous Freemasons include (the list is quite long Google it) Voltaire, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Luther Burbank, Louie Armstrong, Mark Twain, Will Rogers, Duke Ellington, and Peter Sellers. Today the Freemasons can just be a group of people gathering together for fellowship, studying esoterica, historical research or doing chairatable work as there are many appendant bodies within Masonry. The goal of Freemasonry is to make good men better. Dan Brown is supposed to be coming out with a book this year linking Masonry to the Skull and Bones Socieity but is sensational nonsense right out of the Enquirer. Masons do many good works all over the world but few people are aware of them, they seem to hide their light under a bushel basket. They are non-sectarion and non-religious, in fact discussions of politics are discouraged within the Lodge. Yes there are many political figures including past presidents and even some signers of the Declaration of Independance such as George Washington were and are Masons. But then so are Janitors and Barbers. But paranoid fantasies sell books as do conspiricy theories, even accused of satanic devil worship and accused of worshiping the devil god Baphomet. Or is it just a group of people getting together for a pot luck? From my perspective they are good people who are trying to make the world a better place to live in and help Children and the poor and disadvantaged. Nazis outlawed Freemasonry as have many Islamic countries. Freemasonry was also supressed in Soviet Russia. selfseeker on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6225 Sun, 13 May 2007 05:07:50 +0000 selfseeker 6225@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ What are Freemasons ? Are they tribals ? They appear interesting people. Peyotero on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6216 Sun, 13 May 2007 04:16:24 +0000 Peyotero 6216@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Aroich, Please don't link the Freemasons with skull and bones, have nothing to do with each other, no link at all. American Masons give away two million dollars a day to help disadvantaged people. They run hospitals, eye clinics, drug rehab centers, speach disorder clinics, and help children to do well in school. Hitler was facinated by Masonry but had many Freemasons sent to the gas chambers, they oppose tyrany in any form. Many Conspiricy groups, radical Islam, and fundememtialist Christians like to slander the Masons for many reasons. Masons do not discriminate against anyone, including people of the Jewish persuasion, that's why many hate them. They have been an easy target because they do not respond to slander. The Shiriners helped my boy when he was very ill and did not charge me a dime and then they sent him through college. I have a great deal of respect for them and I assure you that anything you might have read about them is slanderous conspiricy theories put forth by people with their own gain in mind. I have known many top Masons over the years and judging by the caliber of people they are, if they were running things in this country it would be a better place as a result! They are excellent people worthy of respect and support. Respectfully Peyotero starion on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6192 Sat, 12 May 2007 22:52:15 +0000 starion 6192@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Arioch: True a terrorist can be terrifying. That's why he/she is a terrorist. They scare you. But they can't kill everyone. They'd lose their country. So they scare some, bomb some, 911 some, and scare a lot more. What I've been asking is this. We're not going to outrun them, gun them down or stun them. Even though there are more of us, than them, we are disorganized and as lots of individuals, that's OK. How do we survive that silly nonsense? Any suggestions? Arioch on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6181 Sat, 12 May 2007 21:16:33 +0000 Arioch 6181@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ There is no legitimate way to end the war on Terror without just walking away. They will never quit and we will never beat them all. Its not even possible in my lifetime or my childs. The best answer to terror is leave them alone. They dont care so much than and it stays minimal when you just leave them alone. They only want the same things we do. And they only know one affective way to do it. As big as we are now you cannot go head to head. i would do the same thing if put in the situation. Hit and run tactics and guerilla warfare. A true terroritst can adapt to any situation. We are no better than them and its true. If our country was occupied by a bunch of idiots id be a terrorist in every sense of the word. Leave them alone they have been around alot longer than the US has. Bush, do i wish i could have a one on one with that man. He cant even talk right puppet, puppet, puppet. Ok im getting to fireover the same old issues that i can do nothing about so later. Arioch on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6179 Sat, 12 May 2007 21:05:57 +0000 Arioch 6179@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Ohhh yes my friend all presidents are a a puppet. They are mearly the person the public sees. Bush no longer has dreams from god. His twisted ideals are straight from Skull and bone and the Bohemian grove. The societies run everything behind the seens. CIA FBI, DEA you name it FEMA, Skull and bone, Masons, the large problem with this is they are involved with Esoteric and occult training and if i know about anything at all its those things. Use of remote viewing by the CIA has gone on for some time. Now there looking into the military aspects of what i study. The out of body experiance while still concious. Imagine a soldier that could look around corners with no possible way of being hurt. OR see the exact number and placement of all enemies in a building before hand. I know where i have gone with the occult and to see it have millions maybe billions in money and lots of historical documentation that i could never dream of (captured or taken from everywhere) seeing scares the Crap out of me...want to talk about controlling things from behind the scenes take one secret society and add occult training and its a disaster. But its already to late so the best i/we can do is learn. Knowledge, Gnosis, my friends. There has to be a a balance and maybe the "good" side is even better at hiding there identities and training..I hope starion on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6138 Sat, 12 May 2007 14:44:23 +0000 starion 6138@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ As far as Bush, my personal opinion, is that he's not smart enough to have engineered this disaster; it would take a military effort to accomplish 911 etc. My personal opinion is that he is a puppet and someone else is pulling his strings. starion on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6137 Sat, 12 May 2007 14:42:26 +0000 starion 6137@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ The question is not who's in charge; we are the majority; we are. Now, how do we get those who say they represent us, to do what they promise they are going to do instead of representing themselves and their money lined pockets? Peyotero on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6136 Sat, 12 May 2007 14:25:36 +0000 Peyotero 6136@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ So I don't think we can blame god for Bushe's behavior, liquor and coke abuse. Osama, well that's another story. Peyotero on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6135 Sat, 12 May 2007 14:22:40 +0000 Peyotero 6135@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Selfseek, Someone who is an expert these things told me that Bush might have brain damage to his frontal lobe due to his addications. The brain has gaps and has trouble recalling information and tries to fill them in, often with dimentia and bad judgement. selfseeker on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6124 Sat, 12 May 2007 06:41:55 +0000 selfseeker 6124@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Peyo, You have forgotten. I think God told Bush in his dreams to attack Iraq. He is merely doing God's work ! There have been many such God's flag-bearer in the past as well. So, let us pray to God to come into the dreams of Bush again with a changed mind. In fact, he should come in the dreams of Osama also .... Peyotero on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6118 Sat, 12 May 2007 04:47:00 +0000 Peyotero 6118@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Yes, true. I wonder if Bush has some delusion that he is fulfilling some kind of scriptural thing? Elections are a fraud. All I was hoping for is whoever is in next would have the good sense to get us outta there. It's depressing I cant stand to watch the news anymore. If anyone did manage to get in that had some integrity it would be a miracle. Don't know what the answer is if there even is one! Arioch on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6075 Fri, 11 May 2007 19:43:23 +0000 Arioch 6075@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Voteing bush out at this point is a lost cause. Weather we have a Democrat in office or a republican. There all in it for the money and that in no way benifits us. There all skull and bone society, bankers, or oil tycoons that need to go. Our government is a failure pure and simple. Iraq should have never been an issue for a second time around. And if it was done correctly in the first place we would not be looseing soldiers daily now. Not to mention it had NOTHING to due with 9/11 and we have yet to even deal with that. Voteing means nothing. Peyotero on "End The War !!!" http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/282#post-6071 Fri, 11 May 2007 15:26:57 +0000 Peyotero 6071@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Good idea and more power to you. But we have to vote Bush out of office first.