http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ Collection of Thoughts Tag: Truth en Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:53:12 +0000 http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/423#post-21929 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:45:19 +0000 Mary 21929@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>bumping ... this really spoke to me today. Wow. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/981#post-21233 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:00:56 +0000 mayamaya 21233@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>life is a path and ability to reach</p> <p><a href="http://www.whiteoracle.com" rel="nofollow">www.whiteoracle.com</a> </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/981#post-21065 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:54:24 +0000 abstractprophet 21065@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>conciousness sure is something else isn't it...</p> <p>one horse with many carts... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/981#post-21063 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:42:28 +0000 starion 21063@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Thus you have a human who knows him/herself, knows his/her interests, has done some work and knows what work is pleasant, knows how to learn, and you no longer have grownups who are lost; you have taught function, form, and capability </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/981#post-21062 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:40:05 +0000 starion 21062@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Agreed! Everything man has built is an extension of the mind of man. A computer was built to emulate the mind of man.<br /> We are living in an age where there is so much information, we could stuff our heads for centuries and still know very little, so we must be discriminatory or at least clean out the mental library now and then to make room for more useful information. About education: teach a child the fundamentals the way each child learns best because that's how they will learn all their lives. Teach them where to find information they<br /> will need so they will always have access to their educational needs. Teach them fundamentals of humanhood. ie. truth, honesty, kindness, respect for and working with one another, teach them survival skills, how to cook, sew, clean house, and outdoor survival skills,what wild foods are there for them, respect for the land, the air, the water, and local skills so that each child could survive in whatever environment they find themselves, and finally teach them to respect themselves and let their talents and skills come forth. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/981#post-21061 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:56:43 +0000 Ekanta 21061@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>The mind controls the machine and his oncle. If we have faith in machines and science, lol, we miss the point entirely. First focus on the mind (correct education in human values), then worry about machines and science. Most of the world population doesnt understand this and its quite serious. Folks in power are totally blind to cause and effect. But... it will change in a short future... hehe... now I dont say more. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/981#post-21060 Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:32:06 +0000 shin 21060@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>We, as humanity, have struggled for so long and so hard to ensure our survival and well-being. Events happening over the last couple of hundred years enabled a large number of people to achieve this goal. It was science and industrialisation which has brought us to this point. Scioence is the foundation for technological achievements, which in turn allows industrialisation, which allow the multiplication of ones manual and thinking labour. The end result is material prosperity for those who are part of that process. </p> <p>Science contributed to the idea that all things may be explainable and understandable. The knowledgbase about the universe is expanding at a phenomenal rate, adding to this idea. Newtonian physics, based on cause and effect, and technology permeated our lives and with it an idea that the universe, and human beings, are essentially machines. With the adoption of this idea, unconscious in many cases, our world has become empty of spirits, good and bad, empty of faeries and witches, of gods, and God.</p> <p>The world has become a disenchanted place and awe and wonder is a rare occurrance. Cries of wonder, excitment, shrieks of fear, laughter and crying, has largely disappeared and what we can hear now is the round-the-clock clanging and whirring of machines at work. </p> <p>What was suppsoed to serve humanity has now become its master. It calls the tune and sets the timetables. If one cannot keep up, one is in danger to lose the head or a limb in the machinery because little effort is spent in adding safety features.</p> <p>It is for us to rediscover the things which make life worthwhile, and to live a life that, in the end, we can say was worth living.<br /> We know everything we need to know in order to do that. It only requires a relaxation of our fixed stare, becoming aware that there is also something like peripeharl vision. It is a relaxing of mind and body. </p> <p>How difficult can that be? Apparently very much. How come, and what can we do about it? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/981#post-21059 Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:35:37 +0000 Starseeker 21059@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Here's a quote from an article called What is Life ?, written by Master Tathagata.</p> <p>"Any human being should take an interest in what you are living for. The biggest problem nowadays in the world of human beings, which can be seen, is that most human beings do not try to know why they are living and what they should have to live for in their lives. We should see this is the result that human beings have abandoned themselves by greed and ignorance for a long time. Our life and the result of our life that we wish for is being ignored by darkness and unhappiness.</p> <p>Is life really the question which nobody can know ? Some people say that life is a never ending task and some people say that life is the secret which only god knows. We do not understand the fact why do we have to live by forgetting the pleasure of life which is in ourselves and why do we have to live our life by throwing away the value of life. We should understand the tremendous crisis of the world of human beings from the deteriorating or loss of the value of view of life and we should feel fear of the fact that these things prevail in our surroundings already. As long as religions do not know what life is and universities are the authorities of promoting position it is bound to be difficult for anyone to teach the truth of life and people who have already abandoned themselves will not want things in truth to be revealed.</p> <p>The duty of his era is how do we know about life and to choose what we have to live for. The most important thing for you to consider is to love yourself and to create a good self from you. The reason why I am talking about these things is because there is a principle in the world and all the answers are in the principle. Life is the whole process which exists from birth to death and we have the result in us through what happened in ourselves. When we know life we can see the real value of life and when we know life the real love can come out of ourselves. Unless the world of human beings cannot open their eyes to life the value of life will disappear forever. When your life cannot bless yourself the life is not yours anymore.</p> <p>The blessing for human beings is the ability that human beings can have and the fact that they cannot use their ability that they have for themselves means they lost themselves by ignorance. Now we should check about this problem. We should know what we know and what we are doing. All truth is appearing through the result. When the question is wrong the result comes out wrong and only someone who understands the question can make a good result."</p> <p>the full article is available here... <a href="http://www.members.tripod.com/tathagata2000/enlightenment_what_is_life__.htm">What is Life ?</a></p> <p>any thoughts?</p> <p>starseeker </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/922#post-20100 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:27:33 +0000 starion 20100@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>I have always loved Mark Twain. Years ago Hal Holbrook, the actor, did a monologue of Mark Twain and it was devilishly clever... Good comedy beats daily news 10-1. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/922#post-20032 Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:45:12 +0000 Yiming 20032@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Would you consider Sacha Cohen (Borat) and Chris Rock cynics? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/922#post-19967 Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:54:36 +0000 Beckett 19967@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Two Biblical examples of Cynics are Noah and Elijah. Before the flood Noah told people about their follies and evil and implored them to repent from their ways and then to come aboard the ark with him and his family when the time was right. Elijah did most of the same thing throughout his life. One noticable example is his test with offering a sacrifice. No matter how hard the followers of Baal tried to get their god to light the sacrifice on fire nothing happened. As they were shouting Elijah provoked them by suggesting that their god may be asleep. Then he poured buckets and buckets of water on Yahweh's sacrfice, and gently prayed. At that moment a pillar of fire blasted the sacrifice and the water around it into cinders. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/922#post-19966 Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:44:03 +0000 Beckett 19966@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>As with skepticism, cynicism has been given a bad rap. However, like skepticism, cynicism is also a virtueous or noble philosophy. Here's a summary taken from a great websight called the Cynic's Sanctuary.</p> <p>"Cynicism is a Greek invention, like the Doric column or the gyro sandwich. The first Cynics (we capitalize the name when we're talking about the ancient ones) were students of a now-obscure philosopher named Antisthenes, who in turn was a student of the illustrious Socrates. Like Socrates, the Cynics believed that virtue was the greatest good. But they took it a step further than the old master, who would merely challenge unsuspecting folks to good-natured debates and let their own foolishness trip them up. </p> <p>The Cynics were more blunt when it came to exposing foolishness. They'd hang out in the streets like a pack of dogs ("Cynic" comes from the Greek word for dog), watch the passing crowd, and ridicule anyone who seemed pompous, pretentious, materialistic or downright wicked. Fiercely proud of their independence, they led disciplined and virtuous lives. The most famous of the ancient Cynics was Diogenes, who reportedly took up residence in a tub to demonstrate his freedom from material wants. This cranky street-philosopher would introduce himself by saying, "I am Diogenes the dog. I nuzzle the kind, bark at the greedy and bite scoundrels." He'd use a lantern by daylight, explaining that he was searching for an honest man. Even Alexander the Great didn't escape unscathed. When the young conqueror found Diogenes sitting in the marketplace and asked how he could help him, the old philosopher replied that "you can step out of my sunlight."</p> <p>As you might expect, the ancient Cynics' habit of ridiculing their fellow citizens didn't win them many friends. People generally don't like to hear the hard truth about themselves, especially in public. But the Cynics felt they were on a mission from Zeus. As the Stoic philosopher Epictetus wrote several centuries later, "A Cynic is a spy who aims to discover what things are friendly or hostile to man; after making accurate observations, he then comes back and reports the truth." </p> <p>Cynics have been making those observations and reporting the truth ever since. The ancient Cynics have turned to dust, but their successors have carried on nobly in their spirit. Great names like Juvenal, Rabelais, Swift, Voltaire and Mark Twain have used the classic Cynics' tools -- bitter irony, biting sarcasm and mirthful ridicule -- to expose the follies of their times as well as the timeless foibles of humankind. If you consider yourself a cynic, take pride in your heritage; the world needs you now more than ever."</p> <p><a href="http://www.i-cynic.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.i-cynic.com/</a></p> <p>Know however the Cynics are not trollish. They merely tell it like it is. Those stand up comedians that sit on the stage in pubs and parties could be considered the modern day cynics. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/699#post-15877 Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:17:41 +0000 nerodha 15877@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>hi,</p> <p>spiritual awakening, self-realization or enlightenment is something i conceptualized and chased for a long time until i realized the simple truth of what i am. there is a profound happinness and peace that comes with this somewhat paradoxical realization, paradoxical because you realize that what you've been seeking in order to heal yourself is actually the truest part of yourself that needs no healing, and that you've always been that. </p> <p>i've seen the situation from the perspective of a spiritual seeker looking for something that's "missing" and from the depth of contenment of one who rests ever more deeply in the unrevocable, unchangeable and undeniable truth of existence.</p> <p>my intention in sharing this with you is not to create a big identity for myself (this is the source of suffering), but to give you the message: "others have opened to this simple and even obvious truth, i have done so, and you can do so as well."</p> <p>i started a blog to share ideas that i hope will be helpful in facilitating, for those who are interested, the realization of that which lies beyond all ideas; the truth of yourself. </p> <p>i post one message a day. if you're interested, you can sign up to receive the posts via email or rss. </p> <p>you can find the blog here: <a href="http://nerodha.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://nerodha.blogspot.com/</a> </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10838 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:40:57 +0000 starion 10838@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>YAS Ohhhhhhh, do love a wee bit of fantasy....</p> <p>Yiming. Eviction is reality... for the moment... until it is not. For me eviction is not now present a reality. How then do you choose to change your impending reality? Do you work to pay for space you rent? Or are you expecting some wand to wave and present<br /> you money? Reality... Yiming... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10835 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:19:14 +0000 YetAnotherSeeker 10835@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Hello, Yiming!</p> <p>"My impending eviction is no less illusory than the execution of Saddam."</p> <p>How can something in the past or future be less illusory than "now"? I feel that "now" is the most concrete thing in existence. The past is memory, and the future is speculation. Memory (even history) can be fallible and/or manipulated, and the future is only potential. </p> <p>That being said, I wish you good fortune with life challenges surrounding your eviction. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10772 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:15:05 +0000 abstractprophet 10772@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>yas... your up there... lol... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10742 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:21:45 +0000 YetAnotherSeeker 10742@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Starion:<br /> "Ah but YAS, I'm not a fighter..."</p> <p>Nor I, if truth be told...although I do enjoy a good swashbuckling tale! I was just engaging my imagination w'a little bit o'fantasy! </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10729 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:47:24 +0000 starlight 10729@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>nothing... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10694 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:32:55 +0000 abstractprophet 10694@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>of course it makes sense to those that conceive that they hold the key... just as it makes sense to those who conceive that there is no key...</p> <p>what is not conceived.... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10666 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:45:23 +0000 starlight 10666@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>well take heart...you may not live to see either happen...and since they have yet to happen, they are only real in your mind as of this minute. or is it my mind? :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10662 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:24:55 +0000 Yiming 10662@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Oh no, Starlight. Eviction is not an illusion. It is as real as eatable bacon and eggs. The term "thinking" is not the act of imagination as in you think, I think, everybody thinks. That is the conventional definition of thinking. I am using the word "thinking" to point to how things become real. And that becoming is not a matter of choice. My impending eviction is no less illusory than the execution of Saddam. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10660 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:00:35 +0000 starlight 10660@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>so, you are saying that thinking is the creator of all illusion?</p> <p>if you really see that as a reality, then why would you not consider that your thoughts that have led to 'life pain' as you put it, concerning eviction...is also illusion? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10658 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:50:14 +0000 Yiming 10658@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Starlight, I am not advocating anything. I am just telling you what I see. Thinking is the root and maker of all things. Thought is behind the sensation of how real everything is. Thought is the maker of the brain and then say, "Oooooo, I come from the brain." You speak like a girl. Are you a girl? I am beginning to speak like you. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10648 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:17:17 +0000 starlight 10648@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>maybe not to you abby, but...and i am being very facetious here...</p> <p>to the handful that think they have been given the keys to the castle...it makes perfect sense in their limited view... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10630 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:07:28 +0000 abstractprophet 10630@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>keith richards was also bizarrely known to have snorted his fathers ashes... good guitarist/songwriter though...</p> <p>yiming... what are ideas... sure we perceive them as our own... yet are they... </p> <p>from this limited view it just isn't conceavable that only a small handful are given the keys to the castle... it just doesn't make sense... :) </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10627 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:26:31 +0000 starlight 10627@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>am trying to get a clear idea(concept) of what you are advocating...</p> <p>soooooooo...iyo...thinking is all that can be counted on as real?</p> <p>and is that not directly contradictory to what you claim? </p> <p>who decides which ideas(concepts)have practical purpose or not? </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10619 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:12:35 +0000 Yiming 10619@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Starlight, it could be a typo that is causing the difficulty. My position is that ALL teachings - spiritual as well as scientific - have no factual significance and should not be taken in a literal sense. They are ideas. God is an idea, so is planet Earth. All the fictitious coordinates of this imaginary planet enable our navigation through conceptual space in order to do things. The more things you have to do, the more real ideas become and they entrap you in a literal reality of a physical world in which resides a real entity - me. Plausible theory? It can be tested. An intelligent way of life is a simple one with little to do. I am not advocating poverty or a primitive existence. The more foolishness there is in life, the more there is to do culminating in the preoccupation with ideas that have no practical purpose at all. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10603 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:55:07 +0000 starlight 10603@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>yim...am finding it difficult to follow you...in one thread you are saying it is stupid to not believe bible teachings and science teachers...and yet it seems here you are saying quiet the opposite... </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10595 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:44:54 +0000 Yiming 10595@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>First of all, the search for the Truth is inspired by the Lie about what life is and what I am suppose to be. The failure to dig out and see through this Lie gives rise to the invention of Truth about what life is and what I am suppose to be. </p> <p>Realism about the external world takes the claims of the natural sciences literally and regards them as accurate descriptions of a world whose existence and nature are independant of our theorizing about it. Thus, knowledge is the foundation of all lies. Biblical revelations are as fantastic as scientific discoveries. Theology is no less silly than zen. All this comes from an inability to think straight and to question that crooked thinking. </p> http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/topic/476/page/2#post-10589 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:27:52 +0000 starion 10589@http://collectionofthoughts.com/bbpress/ <p>Thank you... don't follow the singers so much as the music. If it's groovy, we can dance to it... </p>