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Dzogchen...The Self-Perfected Way...

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  • Started 8 months ago by Star
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  1. Star

    i have debated whether or not to start this thread for some time, but hey, why not? is anyone up for a discussion of Dzogchen Atiyoga?

    here is a simple definition, and it's online source that goes into a little more detail.

    http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Dzogchen

    Dzogchen (wyl. rdzogs chen), or Dzogpachenpo - the ‘Great Perfection’, or ‘Great Completeness’. The practice of Dzogchen is the most ancient and direct stream of wisdom within the Buddhist tradition of Tibet. It is the heart-essence of all spiritual paths and the summit of an individual’s spiritual evolution. As a way in which to realize the innermost nature of mind—that which we really are—Dzogchen is the clearest, most effective, and most relevant to the modern world. Simple yet profound, it is a path that can be integrated with ordinary life and practised anywhere.

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    Dzogchen Practice in Everyday Life
    by HH Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche
    The everyday practice of dzogchen is simply to develop a complete carefree acceptance, an openness to all situations without limit.

    We should realise openness as the playground of our emotions and relate to people without artificiality, manipulation or strategy.

    We should experience everything totally, never withdrawing into ourselves as a marmot hides in its hole. This practice releases
    tremendous energy which is usually constricted by the process of maintaining fixed reference points. Referentiality is the process by
    which we retreat from the direct experience of everyday life.

    Being present in the moment may initially trigger fear. But by welcoming the sensation of fear with complete openness, we cut through
    the barriers created by habitual emotional patterns.

    When we engage in the practice of discovering space, we should develop the feeling of opening ourselves out completely to the entire universe. We should open ourselves with absolute simplicity and nakedness of mind. This is the powerful and ordinary practice of dropping the mask of self-protection.

    We shouldn't make a division in our meditation between perception and field of perception. We shouldn't become like a cat watching a mouse. We should realise that the purpose of meditation is not to go "deeply into ourselves" or withdraw from the world. Practice should be free and non-conceptual, unconstrained by introspection and concentration.

    Vast unoriginated self-luminous wisdom space is the ground of being - the beginning and the end of confusion. The presence of awareness in the primordial state has no bias toward enlightenment or non-enlightenment. This ground of being which is known as pure or original mind is the source from which all phenomena arise. It is known as the great mother, as the womb of potentiality in which all things arise and dissolve in natural self-perfectedness and absolute spontaneity.

    All aspects of phenomena are completely clear and lucid. The whole universe is open and unobstructed - everything is mutually interpenetrating.

    Seeing all things as naked, clear and free from obscurations, there is nothing to attain or realise. The nature of phenomena appears naturally and is naturally present in time-transcending awareness. Everything is naturally perfect just as it is. All phenomena appear in their uniqueness as part of the continually changing pattern. These patterns are vibrant with meaning and significance at every moment; yet there is no significance to attach to such meanings beyond the moment in which they present themselves.

    This is the dance of the five elements in which matter is a symbol of energy and energy a symbol of emptiness. We are a symbol of our own enlightenment. With no effort or practice whatsoever, liberation or enlightenment is already here.

    The everyday practice of dzogchen is just everyday life itself. Since the undeveloped state does not exist, there is no need to behave in any special way or attempt to attain anything above and beyond what you actually are. There should be no feeling of striving to reach some "amazing goal" or "advanced state."

    To strive for such a state is a neurosis which only conditions us and serves to obstruct the free flow of Mind. We should also avoid thinking of ourselves as worthless persons - we are naturally free and unconditioned. We are intrinsically enlightened and lack nothing.

    When engaging in meditation practice, we should feel it to be as natural as eating, breathing and defecating. It should not become a specialised or formal event, bloated with seriousness and solemnity. We should realise that meditation transcends effort, practice, aims, goals and the duality of liberation and non-liberation. Meditation is always ideal; there is no need to correct anything. Since everything that arises is simply the play of mind as such, there is no unsatisfactory meditation and no need to judge thoughts as good or bad.

    Therefore we should simply sit. Simply stay in your own place, in your own condition just as it is. Forgetting self-conscious feelings, we do not have to think "I am meditating." Our practice should be without effort, without strain, without attempts to control or force and without trying to become "peaceful."

    If we find that we are disturbing ourselves in any of these ways, we stop meditating and simply rest or relax for a while. Then we resume
    our meditation. If we have "interesting experiences" either during or after meditation, we should avoid making anything special of them. To spend time thinking about experiences is simply a distraction and an attempt to become unnatural. These experiences are simply signs of practice and should be regarded as transient events. We should not attempt to re-experience them because to do so only serves to distort the natural spontaneity of mind.

    All phenomena are completely new and fresh, absolutely unique and entirely free from all concepts of past, present and future. They are
    experienced in timelessness.

    The continual stream of new discovery, revelation and inspiration which arises at every moment is the manifestation of our clarity. We should learn to see everyday life as mandala - the luminous fringes of experience which radiate spontaneously from the empty nature of our being. The aspects of our mandala are the day-to-day objects of our life experience moving in the dance or play of the universe. By this symbolism the inner teacher reveals the profound and ultimate significance of being. Therefore we should be natural and spontaneous, accepting and learning from everything. This enables us to see the ironic and amusing side of events that usually irritate us.

    In meditation we can see through the illusion of past, present and future - our experience becomes the continuity of nowness. The past is
    only an unreliable memory held in the present. The future is only a projection of our present conceptions. The present itself vanishes as
    soon as we try to grasp it. So why bother with attempting to establish an illusion of solid ground?

    We should free ourselves from our past memories and preconceptions of meditation. Each moment of meditation is completely unique and full of potentiality. In such moments, we will be incapable of judging our meditation in terms of past experience, dry theory or hollow rhetoric.

    Simply plunging directly into meditation in the moment now, with our whole being, free from hesitation, boredom or excitement, is enlightenment.

    http://www.nyingma.com/dzogchen1.htm

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  3. Star

    Nyoshul Khenpo Jamyang Dorje Rinpoche
    I pay homage at the lotus feet of Tenpai Nyima, Who is inseparable from Dharma-lord Longchen Rabjam and perceives the natural state of emptiness of the ocean-like infinity of things.

    A letter of advice I offer to you, my noble mother Paldzom; Listen for a while without distraction.

    Staying here without discomfort, I am at ease and free from worries In a state of joyful mind. Are you well yourself, my dear mother?

    Here, in a country to the West, there are many red and white skinned people. They have all kinds of magic and sights, like flying through the skies and moving like fish in the waters. Having mastery over the four elements, they compete in displaying miracles with thousands of beautiful colours.

    There is an endless amount of spectacles, like designs of rainbow colours, but like a mere dream, when examined, they are the mistaken perceptions of the mind.

    All activities are like the games children play; if done, they can never be finished. They are only completed once you let be, like castles made of sand.

    But this not the whole story; all the dharmas of Samsara and Nirvana, though thought to be permanent, they do not last. When examined, they are but empty forms, that appear without existence. Although unreal, they are thought to be real, and when examined, they are unreal like an illusion.

    Look outward at the appearing objects, and like the water in a mirage, they are more delusive than delusion. Unreal like dreams and illusions, they resemble reflected moon and rainbows.

    Look inward at your own mind! It seems quite exciting, when not examined. But when examined, there is nothing to it. Appearing without being, it is nothing but empty. It cannot be identified saying, "that's it!" But is evanescent and elusive like mist.

    Look at whatever may appear In any of the ten directions. No matter how it may appear, the thing in itself, its very nature, is the sky- like nature of mind, beyond the projection and dissolution of thought and concept.

    Everything has the nature of being empty. When the empty looks at the empty, who is there to look at something empty? What is the use of many classifications, such as 'being empty' and 'not empty' as it is illusion looking at illusion, and delusion watching delusion?

    "The effortless and sky-like nature of the mind, the vast expanse of insight, Is the natural state of all things. In it, whatever you do is all right, however you rest, you are at ease." This was said by Jetsun Padmasambhava and the great siddha Saraha.

    All the conceptual designs, such as "it's two!" or "it's not two!" Leave them like the waves on a river, to be spontaneously freed in themselves.

    The great demon of ignorant and discursive thought causes one to sink in the ocean of samsara. But when freed from this discursive thought, there is the indescribable state, beyond conceptual mind.

    Besides mere discursive thoughts, There is not even the words of 'samsara' and 'nirvana'. The total calming down of discursive thought Is the suchness of Dharmadhatu.

    Not made complex by complex statements, this unfabricated single bindu is emptiness, the natural state of mind. So it was said by the Sugata.

    The essence of whatever may appear, when simply left to itself, Is the unfabricated and uncorrupted view, the Dharmakaya, emptiness mother.

    All discursive thought is emptiness, And the seer of the emptiness is discursive thought. Emptiness does not destroy discursive thought, And discursive thought does not block emptiness.

    The fourfold emptiness of the mind itself Is the ultimate of everything. Profound and tranquil,free from complexity, uncompounded luminous clarity, beyond the mind of conceptual ideas: This is the depth of the mind of the Victorious Ones.

    In this there is not a thing to be removed, nor anything that needs to be added. It is merely the immaculate looking naturally at itself.

    In short, when the mind has fully severed the fetters of clinging to something, All the points are condensed therein. This is the tradition of the supreme being Tilopa And of the great pandita Naropa.

    Such a profound natural state as this, Is among all the kinds of bliss, the wisdom of great bliss. Among all kinds of delight it is the king of supreme delight. It is the supreme fourth empowerment of all the tantric sections of the secret mantras. It is the ultimate pointing out instruction.

    The view of 'Samsara and Nirvana Inseparable', and that of Mahamudra, of Dzogchen, the Middle Way and others, have many various titles but only one essential meaning. This is the view of Lama Mipham.

    As an aid to this king of views one should begin with Bodhicitta, and conclude with dedication.

    In order to cut off through skilful means the fixation on an ego, the root of Samsara, the king of all great methods is the unsurpassable Bodhicitta.

    The king of perfect dedication Is the means for increasing the roots of virtue. This is the special teaching of Shakyamuni which is not found with other teachers.

    To accomplish complete enlightenment more than this is not necessary but less than this will be incomplete. This swift path of the three excellences, called the heart, eye and lifeforce, is the approach of Longchen Rabjam.

    Emptiness, the wish- fulfilling jewel, Is unattached generosity. It is uncorrupted discipline. It is angerless patience. It is undeluded exertion. It is undistracted meditation. It is the essence of prajna. It is the meaning in the three yanas.

    Emptiness is the natural state of mind. Emptiness is the non-conceptual refuge. Emptiness is the Absolute Bodhicitta. Emptiness is the Vajrasattva of absolving evils. Emptiness is the Mandala of perfect accumulations. Emptiness is the Guru Yoga of Dharmakaya.

    To abide in the natural state of emptiness Is the 'calm abiding' of shamatha, And to perceive it vividly clear is the 'clear seeing' of vipasyana.

    The view of the perfect Development Stage, The wisdom of bliss and emptiness in the Completion Stage, The non-dual Great Perfection, And the single bindu of Dharmakaya, all these are included within it.

    Emptiness purifies the karmas. Emptiness dispels the obstructing forces. Emptiness tames the demons. Emptiness accomplishes the deities.

    The profound state of emptiness dries up the ocean of passion. It crumples the mountain of anger. It illuminates the darkness of stupidity. It calms down the gale of jealousy. It defeats the illness of the kleshas. It is a friend in sorrow. It destroys conceit in joy. It conquers in the battle with Samsara. It annihilates the four Maras. It turns the eight worldly dharmas into same taste. It subdues the demon of ego- fixation. It turns negative conditions into aids. It turns bad omens into good luck. It causes to manifest complete enlightenment. It gives birth to the Buddhas of the three times. Emptiness is the Dharmakaya mother.

    There is no teaching higher than emptiness. There is no teaching swifter than emptiness. There is no teaching more excellent than emptiness. There is no teaching more profound than emptiness.

    Emptiness is the 'knowing of one that frees all.' Emptiness is the supreme king of medicines. Emptiness is the nectar of immortality. Emptiness is spontaneous accomplishment beyond effort. Emptiness is enlightenment without exertion.

    By meditating emptiness One feels tremendous compassion towards the beings obscured, like ourselves,by the belief in a self, and Bodhicitta arises without effort.

    All qualities of the path and bhumis will appear naturally without any effort, and one will feel a heartfelt conviction regarding the law of the infallible effect of actions.

    If one has but one moment of certainty In this kind of emptiness, the tight chain of ego-clinging will shatter into pieces. This was said by Aryadeva.

    More supreme than offering to the Sugatas and their sons all the infinite Buddha fields filled with the offering of gods and men; Is to meditate on emptiness.

    If the merit of resting evenly just for an instant in this natural state would take on concrete form, space could not contain it.

    The peerless Lord of the sages, Sakyamuni, for the sake of this profound emptiness, threw his body into pyres of fire, gave away his head and limbs, and performed hundreds of other austerities.

    Although you fill the world with huge mounds of presents of gold and jewels, this profound teaching on emptiness, even when searched for, is hard to find. This is said in the Hundred Thousand Verses of Prajna Paramita.

    To meet this supreme teaching Is the splendid power of merit of many aeons beyond count.

    In short, by means of emptiness, one is, for the benefit of oneself, liberated into the expanse of the unborn Dharmakaya, the manifest complete enlightenment of the four Kayas and the five Wisdoms. The unobstructed display of the Rupakaya will then ceaseslessly arise to teach whoever is in need, by stirring the depths of Samsara for the benefit of others through constant, all- pervading spontaneous activity. In all the Sutras and Tantras this is said to be the ultimate fruition.

    How can someone like me put into words All the benefits and virtues hereof, when the Victorious One with his vajra tongue cannot exhaust them, even if he speaks for an aeon?

    The glorious Lord, the supreme teacher, who gives the teachings on emptiness, appears in the form of a human being, but his mind is truly a Buddha.

    Without deceit and hypocrisy supplicate him from your very heart, And without needing any other expedient, you will attain enlightenment in this very life. This is the manner of the All- Embodying Jewel which is taught in the Tantras of the Great Perfection. When you have this jewel in the palm of your hand, do not let it meaninglessly go to waste.

    Learning, like the stars in the sky, will never come to an end through studies. What is the use of all the various kinds of the many teachings requested and received? What is the use of any practice which is higher than emptiness?

    Do not aim at having many ascetic costumes, such as carrying a staff and wearing braids and animal skins. Leaving the elephant back in your house, do not go searching for its footprints in the mountains.

    Mother, meditate the essence of the mind, as it is taught by the guru, the Vajra Holder, and you will have the essence of the essence of all the eighty- four thousand teachings. It is the heart nectar of a billion Learned and accomplished ones. It is the ultimate practice.

    This advice from the core of the heart of the fallen monk Jamyang Dorje, is the purest of the pure essence from the bindu of my life blood. Therefore keep it in your heart, mother. These few words of heart advice were written in a beautiful countryside, the city of the spacious blue sky, rivaling the splendour of divine realms.

    To the devoted Chokyi Nodzom, my dear and loving mother, and to my own devoted students, I offer this letter of advice.

    This letter to my students was composed by one who goes by the name 'Khenpo', the Tibetan Jamyang Dorje, in the Dordogne Herbal Valley of Great Bliss, in the country of France beyond the great ocean in the western direction.

    May virtue and auspiciousness ensue!

    http://www.nyingma.com/artman/publish/mirror_dzogchen.shtml

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  4. David
    Member

    David

    I have been meaning to study Dzogchen as I have read about it many years ago... didn't understand it back then, just sort of felt the words as I read each line to see if I could live its wisdom, perhaps after all your thread will prove a new starting point, I await further responses to see how this goes.

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  5. Star

    why wait? i would love to test my own understanding and have it strengthened through challenge. what is it that you do not understand? i may or may not be able to help, but we will never know until we discuss it. odds are, i will be the one that is most helped...lol

    and, as far as the rest of you hiding behind your screens, why not discuss this? we have disected every other teaching...why not this one?

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    Garab Dorje

    Born 166 years after the Parinirvana of Lord Buddha in Oddiyana northwest of India, Garab Dorje, an incarnation of Vajrasattva, was the first human teacher of the Atiyoga Tantras.

    From the age of seven, he defeated the pandits of Oddiyana and India with his teaching that dzogchen goes beyond the law of karma, the law of cause and effect. At his passing into the Body of Light, he gave his disciple Manjushrimitra what have become known as the Three Statements or Three Testaments.

    In his book The Crystal and the Way of Light, Chogyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche renders them as follows:

    1. DIRECT INTRODUCTION to the primordial state is transmitted straight away by the master to the disciple. The master always remains in theprimordial state, and the presence of the state communicates itself to the disciple in whatever situation or activity they may share.

    2. The DISCIPLE enters into non-dual contemplation and, experiencing the
    primordial state, NO LONGER REMAINS IN ANY DOUBT as to what it is.

    3. THE DISCIPLE CONTINUES IN THE STATE of non-dual contemplation, the primordial state, bringing contemplation into every action, until that which is every individual’s true condition from the beginning (the Dharmakaya), but which remains obscured by dualistic vision, is made real, or realized. One continues right up to Total Realization.

    A Short Commentary on the Three Statements of Garab Dorje
    By H. H. Dudjom Rinpoche

    I. As for the direct introduction to one's own nature: This fresh immediate awareness of the present moment, transcending all thoughts related to the three times, is itself that primordial awareness or Knowledge (ye-shes)thatisself-originated intrinsic Awareness (rig-pa). This is the direct introduction to one's own nature.

    II. As for deciding definitively upon this unique state: Whatever
    phenomena of Samsara and Nirvana may manifest, all of them represent the play of
    the creative energy or potentiality of one's own immediate intrinsic Awareness
    (rig-pa'irtsal). Since there is nothing that goes beyond just this, one
    should continue in the state of this singular and unique Awareness. Therefore, one
    must definitively decide upon this unique state for oneself and know that
    there exists nothing other than this.

    III. As for directly continuing with confidence in liberation:
    Whatever gross or subtle thoughts may arise, by merely recognizing their nature, they arise and (self-) liberate simultaneously in the vast expanse of the
    Dharmakaya, where Emptiness and Awareness (are inseparable). Therefore, one should
    continue directly with confidence in their liberation.

    That is pure Dzogchen Atiyoga. A Dzogchen Master STARTS with "direct
    introduction" with everyone. If they don't "get it" then one starts
    to use all the infinite methods and means to help bring about the experience of
    Rigpa. When one has the experience of Rigpa, then one confirms the validity
    of one's path now being "remaining with Rigpa" as path. Then, one simply
    continues in that state. Rigpa is the view to be experienced, Rigpa is the path
    to be followed, and Rigpa is the fruit of the path. There is no change in
    Rigpa, either in the beginning, middle or end. The fruit is your first
    realization of Rigpa. There are no Stages of Rigpa. Thogel does not modify Rigpa.

    http://groups.msn.com/Dzogchen/garabdorje.msnw

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  7. Star

    i find Dzogchen Atiyoga very simple, yet profound. i am not talking here about all the secondary teachings that claim themselves to be Dzogchen. i am also not suggesting that one has to be anything other than they are...like a Buddhist or Tibetan Buddhist, although there are many that cling to this limitation (as i see it)...it is like anything else, it has a fortitude of bullshit built up around it's simple precepts, but if you are able to recognize conceptual bullshit for what it is, i don't see a problem...

    it brings everything 'down to earth' so-to-speak, at least that is how it has effected me. getting past conceptualization, and being able to recognize you own true nature, is the only bridge one has to cross...not easy, infact, not pleasant many times; looking within and acknowledging ones true condition; facing what is false and true; but once you enter that stream of realization, and then are able to recognize what is your own primordial condition, which is called Rigpa (gnosis) in Dzogchen...i think it's pretty awesome in the sense that the practice is all up to you. anyways, always, star.

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  8. David
    Member

    David

    As you say above one experiences increased energy within.

    I would liken it to storing energy.. every time things happen to you your saving more and more energy by not responding to these things. As this energy increases so the attachment to material things dissipates.

    To an onlooker or someone who isn't into this kind of spiritual thinking would think you don't care or are lazy but this is far from the reality of what is going on inside. One just sees the material world and all that goes on in it for what it really is...

    life is no more than a game for which you are spectating or no more than a series of events that have no cause for wasting energy on

    Here's an example:

    I found two black cats abandoned in the middle of a field, I named them Hamlet and Romeo. I took them home to my parents who loved them to bits. Five years passed when both cats died of cancer. Both parents cried there hearts out for the loss. I stood there contemplating there lives and I was classed as heartless for not showing a single tear, Why because I didn't see it as a loss but a chance for two cats to spend five years of my life with for which I'm very fond of.

    I am honouring there death by not attaching myself to there physical death and hence suffering and creating karma for both cats and myself, I am.. setting them 'free to be'

    Karma is cause and effect... energy being wasted

    They were very beautiful cats, inside and out. God bless them

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  9. Star

    cool contemplating cat story...(*smiles)

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  10. David
    Member

    David

    If I was to take a simple Buddhist saying and live its wisdom it would be 'In attachment see suffering'

    If there was anything I didn't want to do is suffer then when I observe myself attaching to a thought word or deed I know at some point I would suffer so I would abandon the idea with no loss of energy

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  11. Star

    i think that could be described as correct analytical discerning.

    i agree that so much energy is wasted on dramatic delusions...

    Posted 8 months ago #
  12. David
    Member

    David

    Tell me star what is your experience of Dzogchen, how did you come by it so to speak,

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  13. Star

    a spiritual friend of mine sent me some links to read, and i got interested in it. i had already been introduced, and was able to recognize my own true nature, so it was just then a matter of resting in that state, and trying to maintain it, stablizing it and integrating it with life's experiences, where i was then confronted with my karmic vision(everyday life...lol), and used the tecniques of trechod (similiar to your correct analytical discernment) to cut through illusion, which i continue to do. i am just a beginner, but have read several of Namkhai Norbu's books, which are very simple, yet haved proved for me to bare results. "Dzogchen, The Self-Perfected Way", "The Crystal And The Way Of Light", and "The Supreme Source" are excellent books.

    what i find awesome about this, is that it teaches you to use your own life as your path, and enables you to live freer, healthier emotionally, and there are even times of great bliss and happiness experienced, but the idea, is that no matter what you experience, that you can remain in your own true nature, and not be disturbed or distracted by the chaos of illusion. if, and there are many times in my experience when attachments and distractions and sickness and life and the like knock me clean out of Rigpa, but even then, you can remain aware of what is happening, and remain in the moment, mindful of your behaviour and actions and the consequences of them.

    i am in no way your typical practitioner...lol...but i think the advantage to that is that i do not, once again, get caught up in all the tralala of conceptualizations surrounding the pure teachings.

    i don't find that it is necessary to call it Rigpa, especially when dealing with others that don't have a clue as to what that is, it is not helpful to do...and so many times i just call it true nature, primordial condition, one's true condition, etc...i also don't call myself a Dzogchen Practitioner...i mean, in a sense i suppose that is exactly what i am (although many would disagree...lol), but i think once again, using terms and labels just limits one's abilities.

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  14. David
    Member

    David

    I find that when the attachments or distractions you mention are overpowering I just simply let them continue.. let them burn out just like the stormy wind blows itself out. An hours worth of ranting and raving, feeling angry and upset (In mind) after which it all stops and your back to a tranquil serene mind, even amongst all of this be aware that such a thing as anger is neither good nor bad and little or no energy is lost.

    To resist the mind you need huge amounts of spiritual stamina, this taxes the energy levels, its easier to just simply let it be in a detached mode

    Thank you for sharing

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  15. David
    Member

    David

    Dzogchen seems to be practical for everyday living

    Most groups seem to have rules, regulations, boundaries, limits, do this but cant do that etc or your dammed for an eternity if you don't

    To me a rule is meant to be broken, be the exception to the rule or live without a need for rules

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  16. David
    Member

    David

    I'm going to turn in now. I do hope others will respond, its a great thread you've started

    thank you

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  17. Star

    i thought it a good time to post this David, as it pertains to your post (three up) concerning the energy it takes to resist the mind or just to resist things as they are. Dzogchen Atiyoga, stresses that things be left as they are. This includes our thoughts, emotions, etc...also, we don't have to pack up our things, move to a monestary, shave our heads, take Buddhist vows, detach from everything and everyone, such as the path of renunciation would dictate...i am in no way dissing anyone's religious path...if one chooses to be a Monk or a Nun or whatever, that is one's path, but Dzogchen offers a way that allows one to be as they are, where they are, without having to commit to any religious philosophy. also, many of these Buddhist paths are secondary practices of Dzogchen, but ARE NOT Atiyoga Dzogchen. There is also the path of transformation which involves visualization and other stuff that uses the mind to construct, and it is not Dzogchen either. The culmination of the paths is Dzogchen...IOW, if you take the path of renunciation or transformation, you supposedly, eventually wind up in the state of Dzogchen, but the Dzogchen path is all together seperate from the various Buddhist paths and schools, traditions, etc. The Dzogchen path is one of self-liberation, and if one has the capacity to recognize their own true nature, then remain and stablize there by the practices of Trechod and Togel, then one does not necessarily have to use the secondary teachings. as you stated, when these attachments and distractions come...they arrise, and cease into the base or ground of every individuals own true nature...also called the Dharmakaya. BTW, i liked your analogy of the storms winds...(*smiles)

    Regarding your next post having to do with the many rules and regulations, that is in regards only to the various Buddhist schools and traditions, and has absolutely nothing to do with the true Atiyoga, Dzogchen path. There are many that will argue this point to the death, but this only discloses that they are attached to a certain teaching, and have missed the message of Dzogchen. I base everything i have stated here on what has been taught by Namkhai Norbu in his books; this is not my opinion, and i can back everything up with sources. Namkhai Norbu is a very respected teacher, and as far as i can tell, he is a Buddhist and involved in Tibetan Buddhism, and in teaching many of his students in this fashion in his Dzogchen Community, but in his books, he portrays the purity of Dzogchen, and states emphatically that one not need to be Buddhist or anything else...he also states that anyone, a Catholic Priest, or whomever, can practice Dzogchen and not have to change their religion or their lifestyles in any way, shape, form, or fashion.

    In Dzogchen there are no rules to be broken. this is not a license for everyone to claim to be a Dzogchen practitioner then go out on the town and raise hell...but the sincere practitioner who can recognize their own true nature (Rigpa), remain there as to having no doubts, stablize and integrate...will know what this means. it is really pretty simple; when one is in that similtaneous instant of pristine awareness, the clarity of wisdom of the primordial condition that is beyond conceptualization, then whatever one does, or does not do...accepting and rejecting nothing...is correct action.

    Chögyal Namkhai Norbu, Dzogchen the Self-Perfected State. (p3)

    Through the sound philosophical base provided by the Buddhist Sutras and the Tantras, which outline the paths of renunciation and transformation, one can progress to the path of Dzogchen, the Great or Total Perfection. This method relies on the knowledge of self-liberation, understanding the true nature of the individual, and then relaxing in that state. Consequently, the emphasis in Dzogchen is on dealing directly and simply with whatever life circumstances one may find oneself in. In the path of renunciation, one renounces all situations and circumstances which may be unsettling. This typically involves renouncing sexual contact, family life, inebriants, and dealing with money, and may involve long periods spent in meditative isolation. On the other hand, in the path of transformation, one learns to change one's perception and through this method one learns to transform one's responses to one's situation. This path may also involve long periods spent in meditative isolation, thoroughly training oneself in the methods of transformation.

    Because of the directness of the Dzogchen method, which cuts to the very nature of our condition, some individuals find that they can only approach it through the other paths, while some can grasp it more quickly. In any case, the teacher is well equipped to deal with all levels of competency, and works with all students according to their capacity. While periods spent in meditative isolation may be required to help the student develop their capacity, there is a strong emphasis in Dzogchen on using the understanding that one is developing and applying it in all aspects of one's life.

    The following excerpts, taken from 'The Crystal and the Way of Light', elucidate the differences between the various paths of Buddhism.

    It will be helpful in coming to an understanding of Dzogchen to consider it in relation to the various other spiritual paths within the spectrum of Buddhism in general, which are all equally precious, and have been taught for the benefit of beings of different levels of capacity. These paths all have the common aim of seeking to overcome the problem that has arisen as the individual enters into dualism, developing a subjective self, or ego, that experiences a world-out-there as other, continually trying to manipulate that world in order to gain satisfaction and security. But one can never achieve satisfaction and security in this way, because all the seemingly external phenomena are impermanent and furthermore, the real cause of the suffering and dissatisfaction is the fundamental sense of incompleteness that is the inevitable consequence of being in the state of dualism.(p26)

    All the various traditions (of Buddhism) are agreed that this basic problem of suffering exists, but they have different methods of dealing with it to bring the individual back to the experience of primordial unity.(p28)

    Sutra The Path of Renunciation

    Hinayana and Mahayana (traditions of Buddhism) work towards the experience of Sunyata, or voidness, which is Tantra's basic assumption and starting point. Gradual paths insist one must work from here upwards. (p36) Hinayana, or Lesser Vehicle, and Mahayana, or Greater Vehicle, are both parts of the Path of Renunciation, but their characteristic approaches are different. (p29) The Hinayana tradition of Buddhism follows the Path of Renunciation that was taught by the Buddha in his human form and later written down in what are known as the 'Sutras'. Here the ego is regarded as a poisonous tree, and the method applied is like digging up the roots of the tree one by one. One has to overcome all the habits and tendencies that are considered negative and hindrances to liberation. There are thus, at this level, many rules of conduct, governed by vows, that regulate all one's actions...[T]hrough the development of various states of meditation...(one can) recreate oneself as a pure being who has gone beyond the causes of suffering, an 'Arhat', who returns no more to the round of births and deaths in conditioned existence. From the point of view of the Mahayana, to seek only one's own salvation in this way, and to go beyond suffering whilst others continue to suffer, is less than ideal. In the Mahayana it is considered that one should work for a greater good, putting the wish for the realization of all others before one's own realization, and indeed continually returning to the round of suffering to help others get beyond it. One who practices in this way is called a 'Bodhisattva'...To cut through the roots of a tree takes a long time, and the Mahayana works more to cut the main root and then allow the other roots to wither by themselves by developing supreme compassion in the individual, as well as by working to realize the essential voidness of all phenomena and the ego, which is also the goal in the Hinayana. (pp28-29)

    Tantra The Paths of Purification and Transformation

    The various levels of tantra are the practices of the Vajrayana, and they work on the assumption of the voidness of all phenomena, the principle of Sunyata. They all work on this principle using visualization, but visualization is used differently at each level, with the aim of reintegrating the individual's energy with that of the universe. (p34) There are Outer and Inner tantras, also called Lower and Higher tantras. Both these levels of tantra use visualization as a principle means, but the Outer tantras begin working at the level of the external conduct of the practitioner to bring about a purification of thought and action to prepare the practitioner to receive wisdom. The Outer tantras thus begin with what is called the Path of Purification, the first stage of the Vajrayana, or 'Indestructible Vehicle'. (p31) The second stage of the Vajrayana is the Path of Transformation, which begins with the third and last level of the Outer tantras and includes all the three levels of the Inner tantras. These Inner tantras work once again on the basic assumption of the voidness of all phenomena, but they principally use inner yoga, working on the subtle energy system of the body, to bring about a transformation of the practitioner's whole dimension into the dimension of the realized being visualized in the practice. These methods were taught by the Buddha in a 'manifestation body', rather than by him in his physical body, as well as by other Sambhogakaya manifestations. (p31)

    Dzogchen The Path of Self-Liberation

    Not Sutra, not Tantra, Dzogchen does not see itself as the high point of any hierarchy of levels, and is not a gradual path. Dzogchen is the Path of Self-Liberation, and not the Path of Transformation, so it does not use visualization as a principle practice; but it is beyond limits, and practices of any of the other levels can be used as secondary practices. The principle practice of Dzogchen is to enter directly into non-dual contemplation, and to remain in it, continuing to deepen it until one reaches Total Realization. (p34)

    The basis for the communication of Dzogchen is introduction, not manifestation as in tantra. It's principle practices work directly at the level of Mind to carry the individual into the primordial state, which is introduced directly by the master, in which state one continues until the total realization of the Great Transfer or the Body of Light are achieved. (p32) Even though Dzogchen is a teaching that works principally at the level of Mind, practices of the Voice and Body are found in the Dzogchen teachings; but they are secondary to the practice of non-dual contemplation itself, and are used to bring the practitioner into this state. Only this contemplation can truly be called Dzogchen, but a Dzogchen practitioner may use practices from any of the levels of sutra or tantra, if they are found to be necessary to remove obstacles that block the state of contemplation. (p32)

    The particular method of Dzogchen is called the Path of Self-Liberation, and to apply it nothing need be renounced, purified, or transformed. Whatever arises as one's karmic vision is used as the path. The great master Pha Tampa Sangye [South Indian Yogin of the 11 century (ed.)] once said: It is not the circumstances which arise as one's karmic vision that condition a person into the dualistic state; it is a person's own attachment that enables what arises to condition him. If this attachment is to be cut through in the most rapid and effective way, the mind's spontaneous capacity to self-liberate must be brought into play. The term self-liberation should not, however, be taken as implying that there is some 'self' or ego there to be liberated. It is a fundamental assumption...at the Dzogchen level, that all phenomena are void of self-nature. 'Self -Liberation', in the Dzogchen sense, means that whatever manifests in the field of experience of the practitioner is allowed to arise just as it is, without judgement of it as good or bad, beautiful or ugly. And in that same moment, if there is no clinging, or attachment, without effort, or even volition, whatever it is that arises, whether as a thought or as a seemingly external event, automatically liberates itself, by itself, and of itself. Practicing in this way the seeds of the poison tree of dualistic vision never even get a chance to sprout, much less to take root and grow.(p33)

    Excerpts taken from The Crystal And The Way Of Light - Sutra, Tantra and Dzogchen - The teachings of Namkhai Norbu, compiled and edited by John Shane

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    David

    Dzogchen The Path of Self-Liberation

    This would be what I recognise from the books I read when I was 13. interesting,

    I will seek out these books you recommend above

    Thank you star

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    you are very welcome David.

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    "The Heart Jewel of the Fortunate"
    Dudjom Rimpoche's Personal Advice
    on Dzogchen Praxis

    Taken from Counsels from My Heart by Dudjom Rinpoche
    Shambhala: Boston, 2001

    Homage to my teacher!

    The Great Master of Oddiyana once said:

    Don’t investigate the root of things,
    Investigate the root of Mind!
    Once the mind’s root has been found,
    You’ll know one thing, yet all is thereby freed.
    But if the root of Mind you fail to find,
    You will know everything but nothing
    understand.

    When you start to meditate on your mind, sit up with your body straight, allowing your breath to come and go naturally. Gaze into the space in front of you with eyes neither closed nor wide open. Think to yourself that for the sake of all beings who have been your mothers, you will watch awareness, the face of Samantabhadra. Pray strongly to your root teacher, who is inseparable from Padmasambhava, the Guru from Oddiyana, and then mingle your mind with his. Settle in a balanced, meditative state.

    Once you are settled, however, you will not stay long in this empty, clear state of awareness. Your mind will start to move and become agitated. It will fidget and run here, there, and everywhere, like a monkey. What you are experiencing at this point is not the nature of the mind but only thoughts. If you stick with them and follow them, you will find yourself recalling all sorts of things, thinking about all sorts of needs, planning all sorts of activities. It is precisely this kind of mental activity that has hurled you into the dark ocean of samsara in the past, and there’s no doubt it will do so in the future. It would be so much better if you could cut through the ever spreading, black delusion of your thoughts.

    What if you are able to break out of your chain of thoughts? What is awareness like? It is empty, limpid stunning, light, free, joyful! It is not something bounded or demarcated by its own set of attributes. There is nothing in the whole of samsara and nirvana that it does not embrace. From time without beginning, it is within us, inborn. We have never been without it, yet it is wholly outside the range of action, effort, and imagination.

    But what, you will ask, is it like to recognize awareness, the face of rigpa? Although you experience it, you simply cannot describe it – it would be like a dumb man trying to describe his dreams! It is impossible to distinguish between yourself resting in awareness and the awareness you are experiencing. When you rest quite naturally, nakedly, in the boundless state of awareness, all those speedy, pestering thoughts that would not stay quiet even for an instant – all those memories, all those plans that cause you so much trouble – lose their power. They disappear in the spacious, cloudless sky of awareness. They shatter, collapse, vanish. All their strength is lost in awareness.

    You actually have this awareness within you. It is the clear, naked wisdom of dharmakaya. But who can introduce you to it? On what should you take your stand? What should you be certain of? To begin with, it is your teacher who shows you the state of your awareness. And when you recognize it for yourself, it is then that you are introduced to your own nature. All the appearances of both samsara and nirvana are but the display of your own awareness; take your stand upon awareness alone. Just like the waves that rise up out of the sea and sink back into it, all thoughts that appear sink back into awareness. Be certain of their dissolution, and as a result you will find yourself in a state utterly devoid of both meditator and something meditated upon - completely beyond the meditating mind.

    "Oh, in that case," you might think, "there’s no need for meditation." Well, I can assure you that there is a need! The mere recognition of awareness will not liberate you. Throughout your lives from beginningless time, you have been enveloped in false beliefs and deluded habits. From then till now you have spent every moment as a miserable, pathetic slave of your thoughts! And when you die, it’s not at all certain where you will go. You will follow your karma, and you will have to suffer. This is the reason why you must meditate, continuously preserving the sate of awareness you have been introduced to. The omniscient Longchenpa has said, "You may recognize your own nature, but if you do not meditate and get used to it, you will be like a baby left on a battlefield: you’ll be carried off by the enemy, the hostile army of your own thoughts!" In general terms, meditation means becoming famiIiar with the state of resting in the primordial uncontrived nature, through being spontaneously, naturally, constantly mindful. It means getting used to leaving the state of awareness alone, divested of all distraction and clinging.

    How do we get used to remaining in the nature of the mind? When thoughts come while you are meditating, let them come; there’s no need to regard them as your enemies. When they arise, relax in their arising. On the other hand, if they don’s arise, don’t be nervously wondering whether or not they will. Just rest in their absence. If big, well-defined thoughts suddenly appear during your meditation, it is easy to recognize them. But when slight, subtle movements occur, it is hard to realize that they are there until much later. This is what we call namtok wogyu, the undercurrent of mental wandering. This is the thief of your meditation, so it is important for you to keep a close watch. If you can be constantly mindful, both in meditation and afterward, when you are eating, sleeping, walking, or sitting, that’s it – you’ve got it right!

    The great master Guru Rinpoche has said:

    A hundred things may be explained,
    a thousand told,
    But one thing only should you grasp.
    Know one thing and everything is freed-
    Remain within your inner nature,
    your awareness!

    It is also said that if you do not meditate, you will not gain certainty: if you do, you will. But what sort of certainty? If you meditate with a strong, joyful endeavor, signs will appear showing that you have become used to staying in your nature. The fierce, tight clinging that you have to dualistically experienced phenomena will gradually loosen up, and your obsession with happiness and suffering, hopes and fears, and so on, will slowly weaken. Your devotion to the teacher and your sincere trust in his instructions will grow. After a time, your tense, dualistic attitudes will evaporate and you will get to the point where gold and pebbles, food and filth, gods and demons, virtue and nonvirtue, are all the same for you-you’ll be at a loss to choose between paradise and hell! But until you reach that point (while you are still caught in the experiences of dualistic perception), virtue and nonvirtue, buddhafields and hells, happiness and pain, actions and their results – all this is reality for you. As the Great Guru has said, "My view is higher than the sky, but my attention to actions and their results is finer than flour."

    So don’t go around claiming to be some great Dzogchen meditator when in fact you are nothing but a farting lout, stinking of alcohol and rank with lust!

    It is essential for you to have a stable foundation of pure devotion and samaya, together with a strong, joyful endeavor that is well balanced, neither too tense nor too loose. If you are able to meditate, completely turning aside from the activities and concerns of this life, it is certain that you will gain the extraordinary qualities of the profound path of Dzogchen. Why wait for future lives? You can capture the primordial citadel right now, in the present.

    This advice is the very blood of my heart. Hold it close and never let it go!

    Counsels from my Heart
    Dudjom Rinpoche
    Chapter 7

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    Ground, Path, and Fruition

    Mind-Nature Teachings Concerning the View, Meditation, and Action
    of Dzogpa Chenpo, the Innate Great Perfection

    Compiled by Surya Das with Nyoshul Khenpo

    Homage to the primordial Buddha Samantabhadra, the Buddha within!
    Homage to the omniscient master Gyalwa Longchenpa!

    Buddha-nature, the essence of awakened enlightenment itself, is present in everyone. Its essence is forever pure, unalloyed, and flawless. It is beyond increase or decrease. It is neither improved by remaining in nirvana nor degenerated by straying into samsara. Its fundamental essence is forever perfect, unobscured, quiescent, and unchanging. Its expressions are myriad. Those who recognize their true nature are enlightened; those who ignore or overlook it are deluded. There is no way to enlightenment other than by recognizing buddha-nature and achieving stability in that, which implies authentically identifying it within one's own stream of being, and training in that incisive recognition through simply sustaining its continuity, without alteration or fabrication. All spiritual practices and paths converge, and are included, in this vital point. This recognition is the sole borderline between Buddhas and ordinary beings. This is also the great crossroads at which we find ourselves every moment of our lives. The illusory history of samsara and nirvana begins here and now; the moment of Dzogchen, the innate Great Perfection, is actually beyond past, present, and future, like a seemingly eternal instant of timeless time. This is what we call "the fourth time": timeless time, beyond the three times, the ineffable instant of pure ecstatic presence or total awareness, rigpa.

    Rigpa, primordial being, innate awareness is primordially awakened: free, untrammeled, perfect, and unchanging. Yet we need to recognize it within our very own being if it is to be truly realized. Rigpa is our share or portion of the dharmakaya. Those who overlook it have forgotten their true original nature.

    Subject to suffering, karma, and confusion, we must recognize rigpa in order to actualize our own total potential, the sublime joy, peace, and freedom of enlightenment itself.

    The late Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche said that the great yogis and enlightened adepts wanted and needed nothing more than the realization of the fundamental nature of intrinsic awareness itself. Padampa Sangye, the medieval Indian siddha who brought the Prajnaparamita Sutra and Chod teachings to Tibet, said that all wishes and aspirations can be fulfilled within the natural state. Emaho! Don't overlook this. The primordial Buddha Samantabhadra, the personification of rigpa, who is the formless dharmakaya Buddha at the source of the Dzogchen teachings and lineage, never strayed into dualistic thinking, and remains free and perfect in the infinite
    display of pure appearances that is his pure land or buddha-field, embracing the inseparability of everything within both samsara and nirvana.

    However, deceived by deluded thoughts and appearances, sentient beings fall into dualistic thought and cling to the illusion of subject and object, thus being led into the roiling ocean of impure appearances, conditioned existence. Mistakenly perceiving the inexpressible, self-existing, innate wakefulness of primordial awareness for a fixed self or soul, our own egoic, individual existence, we enmesh and bind ourselves time after time, time without end.

    Ignorance is the sole cause of wandering in samsara. Buddhas know and understand what ordinary sentient beings ignore, misunderstand, and overlook: the true original nature of one and all. That is the sole distinction between Buddhas and ordinary beings.

    Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche said, "The confusion that arose in...the path can be cleared away. When we remove the temporary stains from primordially awakened rigpa, we become re-enlightened instead of primordially enlightened. This is accomplished by following the oral instructions of a fully qualified master."

    According to the shunyata teaching of the Mahayana, everything is empty and open by nature, including both body and mind and all external phenomena. All things are selfless, ungovernable, unreliable, and impermanent. They are totally without independent self-existence or permanent individual entityness. That understanding of absolute emptiness is reached by the understanding of true selflessness, which means the nonexistence of the separate individual self and the nonexistence of the eternal self of phenomena.

    Nothing can be confirmed as either existent or nonexistent, nor both nor neither. This is the profound lion's roar of Nagarjuna and his followers, who elaborated the Middle Way philosophy of Madhyamika, the supreme teaching of emptiness. Yet isn't there a cognizance present in all this openness and emptiness, a vivid clarity or luminous awareness undeniably functioning right now and throughout all our existences? This is because the empty essence of mind, which is actually none
    other than dharmakaya (the formless body of absolute truth), is by nature luminous, aware, cognizant (which is the sambhogakaya, pure clear light or radiant energy), yet undeniably manifests unobstructedly as manifold expressions of dynamic compassion (the nirmanakaya, or tulku, the form body of enlightened activity). Understood in this way, isn't it obvious that the three kayas are inseparable and inherent in one's own heart-mind?

    Mipham Rinpoche's Prayer of the Ground, Path, and Fruit says:
    Present since the beginning, it is not dependent upon being cultivated,
    Nor upon such things as differences in one's capacity.
    May this vital point of the nature of mind, hard to believe since seeming so easy,
    Be recognized through the power of the master's oral instructions.
    May we be spontaneously perfected in the nature of nonaction, beyond both action and inaction.

    Buddha-nature pervades all sentient beings. When the wisdom of the Great Perfection is transferred to a being, it does not matter if that being has a sharp or intelligent mind. Why is that? It is because that which prevents us from realizing the Great Perfection is not that this Great Perfection is something fundamentally different or far away. If we cannot see our own eyelid, it is not because it is far away like a distant mountain. It is very near but difficult to see. The same is true with the nature of the mind.

    MEETING RIGPA

    How can we be introduced to such a nature? If we stay in a state ; where we are not influenced by thoughts of the past, we do not invite thoughts of the future, and we are not disturbed by thoughts e of the present. In the fresh instant of the present moment, there is a wisdom free from all concepts. We should remain in this state without falling into drowsiness, without allowing our mind to withdraw naturally or to wander to external objects. As Jetsun Milarepa said, enlightenment lies in the very simple ability to recognize the wisdom beyond thoughts, the space which is in between the thoughts. But simply to glimpse this wisdom does not suffice: we need to achieve firmness and stability. Though all sentient beings have buddha-nature, they are like the young infant of a king, a newborn prince. By nature he has royal blood, he is meant to be a king, yet he does not have all the faculties to govern the country, protect the subjects, defeat enemies, or administrate. It is the instruction of a teacher that will readily help: at first to realize the view of the Great Perfection; secondly, to achieve skill and perfect it; and thirdly, to achieve perfect stability in this realization. We should not expect instant realization. Jetsun Milarepa said, "Do not have expectation of the fruit, but practice until death." . In the beginning we should practice often for short periods. Our confidence in the view will gradually grow. A time will come when 1 certainty will be born from within. The "subject" who experiences the practice will vanish. When the realization has fully bloomed we will become like the omniscient Longchen Rabjam Rinpoche. We should aspire to see the vanishing point of the thoughts, because the realization of the guru will enter through that, and merge with our self. Lama Mipham prayed: To elaborate or to examine is nothing but adding concepts. To make effort or to cultivate is only to exhaust oneself. To focus or to meditate is but a trap of further entanglement. May these dissatisfying fabrications be cut from within. We will never come to the end of intellectual investigation. Intellectual investigation is like a small bird flying from a ship in the ocean, trying to find the limit of the sky. The sky is so vast, and the small bird's wings become so tired, that he has no choice than to come back to the ship. In the same way, if we engage in mental fabrications, we will never find an end to them. We will just tire ourselves. The view is not something that is linked with objects, or representations, or targets. If there are such targets or representations, there is clinging. It is said, "If there is clinging then there is no view." A view mixed with clinging and representation cannot be named the Great Perfection. If we have concepts we will put appearance on one side and voidness on the other, and in no way will we come near to the realization of the Buddha's mind, the inseparability of voidness and appearances that is free from all conditions. In this way we exhaust ourselves by searching for different methods and fabricating different exercises. We exhaust ourselves in three ways: We create fabrications like mental concepts. We exert a lot of effort. We create many objects or targets in our minds. These are the three things that really tire us. It is like an insect caught in a spider's web: the more agitated it becomes, the more tangled it gets in the web. This creates real suffering, real torment for the mind.

    If we decide that there is no need for elaboration, no need for any effort, and no need for any targets, we will be able to rest in a state that is vast like sky. This is the absolute nature, in which one has rid oneself of something to be seen and a subject who sees. This is the view, the realization of the natural state of things.

    Lama Mipham wrote:
    Being beyond thought or description, not a thing is seen.
    There is, however, nothing extra remaining to be seen.
    That is the profound meaning of resolving one's mind.
    May this nature, hard to illustrate, be realized.

    So what is to be done to realize the natural Great Perfection, Dzogpa Chenpo, if it is free from all concepts, efforts, and representations? The Prajnaparamita Sutra says, "The perfection of wisdom is beyond thought." It should not be conceived of, for it is inconceivable and cannot be described. The absolute truth is not something that can be apprehended by the mind of ordinary beings. In order to indicate this to beings, in a relative way, the Buddhas have said that the void nature is like the sky, while its luminous expression is like the sun. But in truth, even a Buddha cannot entirely express the nature of the mind; there are no words or examples to explain it. It is utterly beyond the relative mind of beings. Yet it is not something that did not exist before, like a new thing appearing for the first time.

    When we are free from all conceptualizations and mental fabrications we can see this nature. When Karma Chagme Rinpoche realized the absolute nature, Mahamudra, he said to his friend, "This is something that has been with me forever. It is something I have known forever. Why didn't you tell me that this was Mahamudra itself?" When we see the true nature within ourselves, there is nothing more to be seen, There is nothing more to be found in the eighty-four thousand teachings.

    The Prajnaparamita Sutra says:
    Regarding mind:
    Mind does not exist,
    Its expression is luminosity.

    GROUND, PATH, AND FRUITION

    In The Diamond Verses of the Absolute Nature, Rigdzin Jigme Lingpa sang:
    Even if a hundred learned beings and hundreds of siddhas would claim that this view is wrong,
    In this there is nothing seen to be discarded,
    Nor is there anything to be kept or established.
    May this state of dharmata, unspoiled by acceptance and rejection,
    Be perceived as the spontaneously present nature.

    Although true nature is divided into the 'ground to be known,' The 'path to be journeyed,' and the 'fruition to be attained,' These three are but like levels in open space. May we spontaneously abide in the nature of nonaction.

    In truth, in the way things really are, from the very beginning the qualities of the essence of buddhahood, the tathagatagarbha, are fully bright without modification, without losing anything at all. They are present within every sentient being.

    On the path, this essence of buddhahood never changes: it does not increase, nor does it decrease. It does not have to undergo any modification.

    Regarding fruition again, this very essence of buddhahood that is realized is perfectly complete. There is nothing to be added to it. There is nothing more that a Buddha could discover. In fact, from the point of view of the way things are, there is no reason to make distinctions such as different bhumis or levels. There are no such things as a starting point, a path, and a goal. All these are like looking at the sky and trying to see different delineations, levels, or limits within it. We can make these configurations intellectually, but in truth there are no subdivisions in the sky. If we say, "This is the top of the sky and this is the bottom of the sky," it is still just the sky.

    In fact, there is nothing to be done, so we may abide in nonaction, beyond both action and inaction. We already have this perfect unchanging nature, so why try to perfect ourselves, purify ourselves, attend to a teacher, and go along the path? This question inevitably arises.

    In general, the view and meditation of the eight vehicles are somewhat adulterated by mental fabrications, but the ninth vehicle, Ati Yoga or Dzogpa Chenpo, is completely beyond intellectual activity. A vast sky can be considered as void or luminous, but it is all one. From the aspect of essence, it is beyond such distinctions as view, meditation, and action. There is an "appearing aspect" that we may call a "view," which is to find one's own nature; a "meditation/// which is to bring everything back to this single point or conviction; and an "action," which is to gain confidence through the method of spontaneously liberating thoughts.

    Lama Mipham wrote:
    Whatever one is focused on is poison for the view
    Whatever is embraced by effort is a fault of meditation.
    Whatever is adopted or abandoned is a defect of action.
    May we perceive the nature free from all shortcomings and limitations.

    How should this view be? The view should be completely free from clinging. As Manjushri said in a vision to the great Sakyapa teacher Trakpa Gyaltsen, "If there is clinging, there is no view." The view is completely free from conditions, concepts, and characteristics. Object, representations, targets, and postulates are like poison to the view. With these the view cannot be pure. If someone eats poison he will die immediately. In the same way, the view is spoiled by clinging to either materialism or nihilism. This becomes a cause for wandering further into samsara. Clinging in this way, we can never be free from the bondage of ego.

    According to the Dzogpa Chenpo, if one engages in striving, clinging, and tense effort during one's meditation, it is a defect. One should remain in a view, meditation, and action, free from fabrication. For such a yogi, whatever he does with his body, speech, and mind, everything, even just moving his hand in the air, takes place as the display of awareness. For this reason, there is no need for an enlightened being to purposely cultivate virtuous actions or discard nonvirtuous actions. Whatever he does is within the display of wisdom.

    The absolute expanse has never been stained or limited by concepts such as nirvana and samsara or existing and nonexisting. We should become enlightened like the primordial Buddha Kuntuzangpo, who was enlightened in the original ground. Aside from this very original ground of buddhahood, it is imposing hardship on ourselves to strive to achieve a spiritual state that we have always had. We have buddha-mind within, so there is no need for all these hardships; just as when someone has already reached the diamond throne at Bodhgaya in India, there is no need for them to undertake difficult travels through hard conditions in order to get there.

    The primordial Buddha, the great vidyadharas, and all those who achieved enlightenment, merely actualized qualities they always had, they were not fabricating new qualities. In practicing the oral pith-instructions, what we really need is to be liberated through recognizing our own awareness, the ultimate nature of being itself. This will not come through the so-called secret teachings and pith-instructions found in books. The first eight vehicles take us along the path working with the mind: none of those vehicles take wisdom itself as the path. Dzogpa Chenpo takes the wisdom itself as the path, and it is therefore devoid of any representations and objects. We need to utilize wisdom, how things actually are, as the path, not merely using our mental fabrications. Because whatever is related to the mind is automatically related to delusion, to the clinging between subject and object.

    Lama Mipham wrote:
    Since the unfabricated and uncompounded dharmata
    Has nothing new to be obtained through the path of fabrications,
    May the nature of the ultimate fruition, which does not result from a cause
    Be perceived as being primordially present within oneself.

    Vividly present and awake, free from concepts, through constant re-mindfulness recognizing everything, wherever we are under all circumstances and conditions, as the magical display of rigpa; seeing through everything and never falling prey to ego-clinging, attachment, and dualistic fixation, nor to its further elaborations as the three poisons (kleshas) and the eighty-four thousand defilements; thus we maintain our primordial throne, like the enlightened sovereign personifying intrinsic awareness, Samantabhadra.

    On the other hand, being deceived by this unobstructed spontaneous magical display of intrinsic awareness itself; confused by ignorance and falling into the duality of subject and object; thus we forego our primordial throne, depart from our spiritual kingdom, and, like the prodigal son in the Bible, forget who and what we are, to wander endlessly like stray dogs lost on the endless plains of samsaric existence. The great good fortune of meeting an authentic enlightened master and being introduced to the ultimate view, recognizing, acknowledging, confirming our true nature, is like being reintroduced to ourselves, like the prodigal son being restored to his rightful place as crown prince of his father's kingdom, beyond the possibility of doubt or disputation.

    All the phenomena of samsara and nirvana are perfect and complete within rigpa. One instant of total awareness, recognition of rigpa, is enough: the Manjushri-namasam~iti Tantra says, "In one moment, perfect recognition, in one instant, complete enlightenment." The wisdom-mind of all the Buddhas, innate wakefulness, is inherent to our very nature, yet it is temporarily obscured by conceptuality. Innate vajra-like buddha-mind, rigpa, is unveiled the moment dualistic mind dissolves and nondual awareness nakedly dawns, which is none other than the immaculate and primordially pure dharmakaya. This is the authentic Buddha, the Buddha within. There is no Buddha apart from one's own heartmind, as Milarepa and other siddhas often sang.

    The main difference between deluded mind and enlightened mind is the degree of narrowness and openness. The essential nature being one and undivided, it is immediately apparent to those with eyes to see, the degree to which any particular individual is open, free, and unconditioned or, on the other hand, rigid, close- ~r minded, fixated, attached, and confused, that is, totally conditioned by adventitious obscurations, the karmic imprints of previous actions and obscuring emotions and defilements.

    THE ULTIMATE NATURE OF MIND

    After his great awakening beneath the bodhi-tree in Bodhgaya, Lord Buddha said that the ultimate nature of mind is perfectly pure, profound, quiescent, luminous, uncompounded, unconditioned, unborn and undying, and free since the beginningless beginning. When we examine this mind for ourselves, it becomes apparent that its innate openness, clarity, and cognizant quality comprise what is known as innate wakefulness, primordial nondual awareness: rigpa. This is our birthright, our true nature. It is not something missing, to be sought for and obtained, but is the very heart of our original existential being. It is actually inseparable from our uncontrived everyday awareness, beyond wilful alteration, free from conceptuality: unfabricated ordinary awareness, unadulterated by effort and modification, naked, fresh, vivid, and totally natural. What could be simpler than this, to rest at home and at ease in total naturalness?

    The sutra vehicles, the common teachings of Buddhadharma, consider that the above-mentioned description of the ultimate nature of mind by Lord Buddha himself refers to nirvana, or nirvanic consciousness According to the Vajrayana practice lineages of Tibet and especially the Mahamudra and Dzogchen traditions, that description refers to the true nature of mind, rigpa, intrinsic awareness itself. In that light, how far is that fabled "other shore," nirvana?

    So get out of the construction business! Stop building bridges across the raging waters of samsaric existence, attempting to reach the "far shore," nirvana. Better to simply relax, at ease and carefree, in total naturalness, and just go with the primordial flow, however it occurs and happens. And remember this: whether or not you go with the flow, it always goes with you.

    Yet it is not so easy or so it seems. First we must recognize this profound view, innate Great Perfection, then train in it, then attain unshakeable stability in it. This is the path of practice, undistractedly maintaining the view or outlook to which one has been introduced and which one has recognized. Only then can realization progressively unfold. Thus, training implies nonmeditation, noneffort, and nondistraction, a vivid presence of mind. Innate wakefulness, nonconceptual wisdom, nondual primordial awareness, buddha-mind, is suddenly unsheathed the moment dualistic mind dissolves. This can occur gradually, through study, analysis, and spiritual practice, or suddenly, through the coming together of causes and conditions, such as when a ripe student encounters a totally realized master and inexplicably experiences a sudden awakening.

    Buddha-nature is pure, undefiled, unelaborated, unconditioned, transcending all concepts. It is not an object of dualistic thought and intellectual knowledge. It is, however, open to gnosis, intuition, the nondual apperception of intrinsic awareness itself, prior to or upstream of consciousness. Adventitious obscurations temporarily veil and, like clouds, obscure this pristine, sky-like, luminous fundamental nature or mind essence, also known as tathagatagarbha, buddha-nature.
    All conventional practices along the gradual path to liberation and enlightenment aim to uncover this innate wisdom by removing and dissolving the obscurations, revealing what has always been present. This is the relation between how things appear to be and how things actually are: in short, the two levels of truth, absolute and relative or conventional truth. According to these two truths, there are different levels of practice. The subtle and profound Vajrayana view emphasizes correctly recognizing the ultimate view, the wisdom inherent within oneself; this is the renowned vajra-shortcut elucidated in the Dzogchen tantras. The approach of the various sutra vehicles depends on and utilizes, purification of dualistic consciousness, until the mind is eventually purified and freed of obscurations and defilements. , The tantric approach depends upon, and from the outset utilizes, wisdom, nondual awareness, rather than mere mind. This is a crucial difference.

    The sublime view of Dzogpa Chenpo, the ultimate vehicle, is that everything is pure and perfect from the outset. This is the absolute truth, the supreme outlook or view of Buddhas, which implies that there is nothing that need be done or accomplished. Based on such recognition of how things actually are, the meditation of Dzogchen is nonmeditation, resting in the evenness of being, rather than doing any particular thing, beyond hope and fear, adopting and rejecting. The action or behaviour of Dzogchen ensues from such transcendence, and is totally spontaneous, aimless, and appropriate to whatever conditions arise. The fruition of Dzogchen is the innate Great Perfection itself, inseparable from the very starting point of this swift and efficacious path: rigpa itself, one's own true nature.

    The famous enlightened vagabond, the nineteenth century Dzogchen master Patrul Rinpoche, sang, "Beyond both action and inaction, the supreme Dharma is accomplished. So simply preserve the natural state and rest your weary mind." His compassionate, humble lifestyle and profound writings are still widely studied today, inspiring practitioners of all the sects and lineages of Tibet.

    Padampa Sangye said, "Everything is found within the natural state, so do not seek elsewhere." Buddhahood is the wisdom within us all, it is not elsewhere. It is actually our fundamental nature, the primordial state, our inherent freedom and unfabricated beingness.

    That is why it is called the natural state, innate buddha-nature, and said to be possessed by all beings. This is the raison d'etre of Dzogpa Chenpo, the natural Great Perfection. There is nothing beyond or superior to this. Realize it, as it is even right now, and everything is included. All wishes and aspirations are fulfilled in this natural state of innate wakefulness, our own innate great perfection, Dzogchen. It belongs to each and every one of us.

    Different purposes or approaches give it different names, depending on whether it is being seen as the view, the goal, the practice path, the fundamental ground, or otherwise. This single ineffable essence is variously known as tathagatagarbha, sugata-garbha, buddha-nature, rigpa, empty and cognizant self-existing wakefulness, dharmakaya, Prajnaparamita, transcendental wisdom, shunyata or emptiness, clear light, buddha-mind, and so on. Rigpa, whether called intrinsic awareness, nondual presence, selfexisting inherent wisdom, or innate wakefulness, is like one's own individual share of the transpersonal ultimate body of truth, the dharmakaya of all the Buddhas. There is nothing superior to this.

    Chokyi Nyima Rinpoche said, "The enlightened essence (buddha-nature) is present within the heart-mind of every sentient being. Dzogchen directly introduces and reveals how this actually is, unbarring the natural state. The pith-instructions show how it can be nakedly recognized within one's own experience. They note the great need for recognizing it and the tremendous benefit of doing so, clearly showing how, at that very moment, the Buddha, the awakened state, need not be sought for elsewhere, but is present within oneself, and that you become enlightened through experiencing what was always present within you. This is the effect of nyongtri, instruction through personal experience."

    As Asanga and Maitreya said, the nature of mind is luminous. It is perfectly empty, open, and aware, unfettered by conditions or conditioning. The mind, or dualistic consciousness, is a mere impermanent concatenation of causes and conditions, totally bound up in conditioning. The difference between mind and its nature, the difference between awareness or mind-essence, and conceptual thinking or namtok, is like the difference between the sky or space itself, and the ephemeral weather which occurs within it. In the Prajnaparamita Sutra Buddha says, "True mind is not the dualistic mind. The nature of mind is actually the inseparability of awareness and emptiness."

    Longchenpa says that mind is duality, that rigpa, nondual awareness, is transcendental wisdom. The fundamental nature of mind is sheer lucency, free and unfettered by concepts such as subject and object; a profound luminosity free from partiality and fixation, a free-flowing compassionate expression of indefinable, limitless emptiness, unobscured by thinking. Thought is bondage; the immeasurable openness of empty awareness is freedom. Compassion for those bound within their own illusory constructs, mindforged manacles, and self-imposed limitations, spontaneously, unobstructedly, and inexhaustibly springs forth.

    Therefore, with the essential pith-instructions of a qualified Dzogchen master, crush the eggshell of the mind and unfold your wings in the open sky. Destroy the hut of duality and inhabit the expansive mansion of rigpa. There are no other enemies or obstacles to overcome and vanquish. Ignorance, dualistic thinking, is the great demon obstructing your path. Slay it right now and be free.

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  22. Mary
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    Mary

    I've been reading and sitting with this.

    For something so simple, its taken a long time to sink in. But I'm drawn to it for the truth it resonates. So I sit with it as patiently as I can. That must be the profound aspect.

    Thank you Star for introducing this. Thank you for deciding to share. I'll add more later to this thread. Wei Wu Wei is another philosophy that adds to this too.

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  23. Mary
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    Mary

    thought this was interesting....

    Reality vs dreams
    “ The real sky is (knowing) that samsara and nirvana are merely an illusory display. ”
    —Mipham Rinpoche, Quintessential Instructions of Mind, p. 117

    According to contemporary teacher Chögyal Namkhai Norbu, in Dzogchen the perceived reality is considered to be unreal. All appearances perceived during the whole life of an individual through all senses, including sounds, smells, tastes and tactile sensations in their totality are like a big dream. It is claimed that on careful examination the dream of life and regular nightly dreams are not very different, and that in their essential nature there is no difference between them.

    The non-essential difference between our dreaming state and our ordinary waking experience is that the latter is more concrete and linked with our attachment; the dreaming is slightly detached.

    Also according to this teaching, there is a correspondence between the states of sleep and dream and our experiences when we die. After experiences of intermediate state of bardo an individual comes out of it, a new karmic illusion is created and another existence begins. This is how transmigration happens.

    One aim of dream practice is to realize during a dream that one is dreaming. One can then dream with lucidity and do all sorts of things, such as go to different places, talk to people, fly and so forth. It is also possible to do different yogic practices while dreaming (usually such yogic practices one does in waking state). In this way the yogi can have a very strong experience and with this comes understanding of the dream-like nature of daily life. This is very relevant to diminishing attachments, because they are based on strong beliefs that life's perceptions and objects are real and, as a consequence, important. If one really understands what Buddha Shakyamuni meant when he said that everything is unreal or of the nature of shunyata, then one can diminish attachments and tensions.

    The teacher gives advice, that the realization that the life is only a big dream can help us finally liberate ourselves from the chains of emotions, attachments, and ego and then we have the possibility of ultimately becoming enlightened.[17]

    link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Perfection

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  24. Star

    cool contribution Mary! thanx...always, star.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  25. Nutt
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    Nutt

    Another bridge across the abyss!

    Drop it! Now walk away!

    Posted 8 months ago #
  26. Star

    the nutt has to first be cracked...lol.

    tell us how you did it.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  27. Nutt
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    Nutt

    Happens...just happens.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  28. abstractprophet

    what...? lol

    Posted 8 months ago #
  29. Nutt
    Member

    Nutt

    Why?Whom?When?

    Chasing... round and round. Back and forth. Up and down.
    Seeking... searching...not to be found.
    Just IS! :)

    Posted 8 months ago #
  30. Star

    well, if you are truly enlightened, you should be able to expain how it happened...even if you went and sat under the Bodhi tree, you should have a story to tell...saying that it Just IS...that is not anything new here. believe you me, it is used too much, and in an incorrect context.

    i would really appreciate it if we limited this thread to Dzogchen, Atiyoga teachings...you are more than welcome to start your own thread of IT JUST IS...no disrespect intended.

    Posted 8 months ago #

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