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Hi guys, LOVE or SECURITY, what would you choose ??

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  1. BroDan
    Member

    BroDan

    Hi Selfseeker, Chip, Infinity Rose and friends,

    It's been a long time since I posted here so that must be a good sign. I still remember so well the days when my girlfriend was going to leave me and I was in so much pain that I saw so no future but with the in sight of you guys, I channelled the pain in to anger and released my self from addiction and attachment!!! Thanks again guys.

    Now a similar situation and I'd love your wise insight once more please . . .

    My girl friend that I've been living closely with for over nine years, have battled through thick and thin together with while venturing deep in to our selves and managed to remain as an ever stronger team is now on very unsettled ground again.

    She has told me to move out for a while while she works out what she wants out of her life with me, she tells me that after 9 years of knowing me that because I still haven't managed to make a decent career out of my DJ-ing that she wonders what kind of a future she sees ahead of her while with me if she wants to either set up her business, buy a second house or have children.

    My argument is that though from time to time I've owed her a months rent most of the time when ever she has asked for money to pay bills etc I've always got the cash to her what ever my circumstances and that when ever she feel down I'm there. When ever she needs help I'm her moral support and have been as far as I can see an incredibly genuine and loyal boyfriend. I mean if i was in debt, was threatening her ambitions through taking too much money off her then I'd understand but the house we live in I've built it in to the beautiful place it is now and If I'd have had a usual daily career there is no way I could have filled my side of the bargain and made her such a beautiful home. What more does she want?? Is she worth it??

    The problem is that she has been brought up with little love from her family (unlike me) and been tout that her money is her money. Her family has always been very competitive and untrusting to each other so since we met we never joined bank accounts (which I'm Ok with as I as yet haven't hit the big time!!). So now she's in a position where she's saying that at the age of 29, with £12,000 in the bank saved up and doing a massage course to end in 6 months she wants to plan ahead. I on the other hand after 12 years of Dj-ing am looking at an incredible future at last and am loving life more than ever, I'm mastering the power of attraction, am confident, good looking and alive plus willing to work with her how ever I can to help her make her dreams come true

    I believe she should except me for who and how I am as I do her, with her wanting to change me what should I do ?

    I still see her as an amazing girl and would love to work it out but what's your advice to us both guys ?

    Yours fairly lost,

    BroDan

    x

    Posted 2 months ago #
  2. BroDan
    Member

    BroDan

    I've just got off the phone to her (Vasu) and she was now asking my opinion on us breaking up and how we would go about it if the situation did finally arise so by looks of it (Though we have got to this stage before and worked things out) our relationship is coming to an end.

    Vasu also said that it's not that she's insecure about her financial future she just doesn't know what she's feeling right now, she did say it could be that maybe she wants some one that is able to offer a future with enough abundance to have children.

    I replied to that. "Vasu, if you truly loved me you know wed find a way". She replied. "I don't know what it is."

    In a weeks time we may well be parting paths and what I've said is that if that does happen, she should understand that will be the end of our relationship all together. My suggestion was that I carry one living at home happy for her to take her time to make her mind up as I sleep in the second room for a few weeks then decide what are to do but she said that would make it hard on her seeing me around her wanting an answer and make would make it all too difficult.

    I'm bracing my self for the sheer pain and darkness over come me again to then have to re master disattachment, I've done it before and I know I'll be fine very quickly but this is worth saving.

    What now guys?

    Any help would some what soothe.

    Thanks guys,

    BroDan

    Posted 2 months ago #
  3. starion
    Member

    starion

    BroDan: A massage course brings up a lot of issues, a lot of pain and insecurity.
    For an entire year, that I was taking massage school, I received at least one massage a day as well as giving one...and a thousand issues I thought lay way down under...managed
    to rise like bubbles in a lava lamp. It's a very emotional and upheaval kind of a time
    and I was extremely vulnerable and didn't realize it. During that year, I made some
    unstable decisions, even though I was warned not to make any life changing decisions at
    all. By the time I was done, I had made decisions that would take over 10 years to unravel and wished I hadn't.
    If the love of your life is going through this, she is extremely vulnerable. Extremely. She might be swamped with emotions she's never had, and wrongly believing
    your relationship is to blame. It isn't. Any unresolved issues are going to rise up
    and cause some mental, emotional wrestling. Be there for her even if she threatens to
    go elsewhere... inform her that you are there through thick and thin,...through all
    of the ups and downs..all of it... and also suggest, if her class of massage does not
    a counselor to help her through the emotional upheavals that massage can arouse.
    The body holds the memories of the life lived, holds the emotions, the pain the
    suffering of the life lived. Every muscle, organ, bit of flesh, holds these memories.
    A knife cut is held by the tissues that sustained it; even generations of flesh years
    later still remember that intrusion into the body. Parent cells that experienced the
    cut, pass the emotion onto newer cells who carry that memory. It is like the emotion
    is held in an energy pattern into which the cells are born and they live in this
    memory. So this is some of what she is experiencing.
    Now, as she works on another, she might become sensitive to the feelings held
    in the flesh of another....and this is also overwhelming at first. She needs to
    ground herself...or she will be swept away by the feelings of all those she comes
    in contact with.
    Massage is not just rubbing oil on skin; it is sharing energy feelings and becoming
    aware of those energy messages. She needs you now more than ever to hold her stable
    while she explores this.

    Posted 2 months ago #
  4. selfseeker
    Member

    selfseeker

    My dear Brodan,

    Money is required for our basic requirements of life. But it should not be allowed to run our life. Happiness lies within us ... looking for happiness in money is nothing but running after mirage.

    There is no end of our demands. We don't enjoy what we already have. We always run after what we don't have & we feel will make us happy. unfortunately, that is how our mind is created. And let me tell you with my experience of life, running after happiness in aquiring money, power may give you only inflated ego & pseudo-happiness which has a very short life-span.

    The tone of your letter doesn't suggest desperation on your part & that is a good sign. Your girlfriend feels that perhaps she can have a better deal in life. She is not aware that life is not about having a big house, a fashionable car & having children. They are not full of happiness as they look from outside. If that would have been there, people having all these things would not having cheating on their wives, drinking to death, fighting in courts for a divorce, committing suicide.

    You can tell all this to her. But don't cling to her as this will make her feel forcibly bound & will only make her stubborn & will worsen the relation. Give her freedom to choose whatever she likes. .... And believe me, you can be happy without her the same way as you are with her. it all depends on your attitude & doesn't depend on her. You have a right to be happy & nobody can deny you that unless you give your rights to someone.

    Your girlfriend is running after mirage. May God bless her ...

    Selfseeker

    Posted 2 months ago #
  5. BroDan
    Member

    BroDan

    Starion ! Selfseeker ! How amazing to hear from you both, I just love this place because of beings just like you.

    Starion (I like your name), amazing what you say about massage, I knew the contact and act was some what powerful but had no idea at all it was that deep. We went to Thailand together over January this year (So that's 7 Months ago) and Vasu (My Girlfriend) did a two week long intensive Eurevedic Yoga Massage course and it did send her feeling some what uncomfortable but not to a state as she is in now. Then straight after the massage course she completed her Reiki Masters Level 3 course.

    After all this the year between us had been as it seemed Ok, but we've just got off the phone together and though earlier Vasu said she thought she was starting to have feelings towards me again Vasu said she's gone back to feeling completely lost and not knowing what she feels again. Do you think this state she's in could be caused by The Eurevedic Yoga massage course and the Reiki Master course she took in Thailand as long as 7 months ago?

    Posted 2 months ago #
  6. BroDan
    Member

    BroDan

    Hi Selfseeker, great to find you and your words on here again. Last time when we where going through something this I was totally emotionally smashed to pieces but remember that with your help and that of Chip's that you walked me through to break the chains of attachment and I went from crying so deeply to being left rather giggly then cry sheer relief and happiness, I will never forget this huge break though in my life.

    What I have realised now is that attachment seems to slowly grip you again and here I am Ok, no where near as desperate as before but attached none the less. All I have to go on is the memory of having managed to release my self from the pain of missing some one last time so can do it again, this I am not comfortable with but some how painfully exited by!!

    What I mean is that while working away on my Dad's house and spending time with my amazing family I've had time to thbink about all this and have found my self questioning the whole relationship with questions like: Has Vasu now become too serious for me? Or, our sex life has never been any good so is that saying something?

    Then I went on to preparing my self for her to say she wanted me to move out and visualize where I'd be. I saw a new flat all to my self, my music gear all set up as I wish, a view of a buzzing street out of my window, the ability to work how ever much and when ever I wanted, freedom to just make a Tusday night out my week end with ease (often happens as I am a DJ) plus I had other visions of being able to be left alone to get the next 12 months that are the most important I've ever faced in my DJ career running like clock work with out having to deal with any one else insecurities as those of Vasu.

    So as you can see I've come along way and have the courage to say there will be happiness for me again.

    I see what you mean about not crowding her and must admit at times I think I am as she walks this unsettled path, I am sure it's because I am attached to her again and dream of of the future I project to contain her but I've some what learned that any relationship that has lasted for so long is worth fighting for what do you feel about this ?

    Also, a how much of fight can relationship become before it's not worth it and should be left to break apart ?

    Thanks so much for all you time on this, you really are helping me out in another time of confusion.

    Love to all you guys.

    BroDan

    Posted 2 months ago #
  7. LiliVasu
    Member

    LiliVasu

    Hi sentient beings. I am replying to this post as I am Vasu who bro dan has been talking about. This is my story, I met Dan 9 years ago and we have both been a power of strength for each other theoughout the years, gone through thick and thin, cried laugh and have helped each other unravel alot of issues. My issues in the past have been alot of family issues were my mother left me at the age of 3 months old and Dan's have been his whole past drug situation. When I met Dan 9 years ago I really felt that the energy was answering my calls of help. I have very much lived a lonley life in my early age with my father bringing me up with my wicked step mother who blamed me for everything. my dear dad had always been caught up in the middle of his daughter and his second wife, so it was a difficlut time for him aswell. I made a very adult choice at the age of 16yrs and decided to live with my uncle and aunt, this was to help my dad with his pain of always battling between his daughter and his 2nd wife. but also in my heart I knew I had to get away from the situation as I had attempted to overdose on parcetomol. however, as young girl at the time I always had light at the end of the tunnel and got through it all on my own worked hard at school and saved up money by working in the supermarket at night to be able to go to univeristy. when I passed my exams to go to uni it was a big thing for me, as I had never had any recognition in my life, my step mum used to tell my faher all sorts of lies about me, so he was confused but was just out to protect me. So the story goes, I met Dan and I was very insecure, at the time and up until 2 years ago I always put Dan on peddalstool because I used to think he was too good for me, better looking than me and I was lucky to have met such a good catch. we then went travelling after university to Thailand were I alomst died of a tumor growing in my neck, this was the cause of a monkey bitting me, and me having an alergic reaction to the horse tranquliser the Thai doctors had given me. But that is when I started to look inwards and deal with self love. I looked like such a sate, I couldn't recognise myself in the mirror. To this day I call this monkey bite the 'Kiss of life'. At this point I also got into reiki and initiated in levels 1 & 2.

    up until 2 years ago I never really appreciated how physically beautiful I was and then internally aswell, Dan had been great and I had helped him through his drugs, mind chemical balance and re-grounding him. so we both have been Yin & Yang for each other. so all the healing, monkey bite etc work had finally come to a positive physical state and I finally started to appreciate my inner and outer beauty-that is when I was no longer sure how I felt about Dan. I created this sense of wanting to be free, I now know that this was my dillussion state, but with any bird that has been caged or had caged themselves for 26 yrs of their life this was a fairly normal process I guess. My root chakra opened, which meant I started to feel sexual, I never did anything I wasn't meant too, but it was nice for me to feel that other men walking along the street found me attractive. So this is the 1st major situation Dan & I went through, we got through it and it was great, we started understanding the disattachment etc.

    Last year xmas I did a 2 week intensive Auyervdeic course, I was so so emotional. Crying during class, exhausted physically and mentally. Getting early nights because I had class the next morning whilst Dan was out socialisign and having fun. The next thing I knew Dan told me he never loved me and he was falling in love with a girl that was staying on the same beach as us. I explained to him how intense this massage course was and how 2 weeks of my emotional state wasn't a reflection of our 9 yr relationship, I was happy to let go of him, but Dan came back to me and realised that he wanted to be with me.

    So now in reply to this thread, yes I am very very confused, I do alot of reiki, kundalini yoga and energy work so something is deffinetly going on, I am still not sure what the exact root is. what I do know is that whilst I have been deconditioning my childhood life, which has been earning money to go to uni, having a sense of worthness in a physicall life, working hard in my job to buy our flat which Dan & I live in etc I still have some of this conditioned state in me. But just to add to this conditioing of finance only 2 months ago I got in touch with the mother that gave bith to me. so alot has been going on. You see Dan and I have had 2 completly different lives, my taurmants in my life have been family led, which meant I had to become indepedent at a very early age, so maybe this was something that was set in my path by the universe. Dan on the other hand has come from a very loving family, his family have supported him all the way whether this has been through drugs or financially. me on the other hand has had to create my base on my own, through my strength and determination, so though my flat is a materialistic possession I feel that it is mine! I have never had anything that belonged to me. Even now I still can't go to my fathers house for xmas or birthdays because of my step mother ( as she refuses to talk to me and won't let me in. so my flat is the only place that I can put my head down at night, or is my space when I need it.

    for the last couple of weeks something had been bubbling up inside me. everything I am about to say is all on a physical level, I believe the perfect state for us is to a balance between physical realm and the spirtual. as we are physically here but our energy connects with the cosmos etc. So,now I am 28 and have been physically and emotionally supporting Dan with his djing carrer. it has been hard for him, I am proud of him in relaising what his dreams have been from a very early stage, he just about pays off the rent, has no savings but gives his dream 150% in dedication. As of yet nothing has really come of it. I asked Dan last week that when is he to draw a line to his dream if it isn't to happen? because I would like to have children in the future and would like to see that he could provude for a family if I fell pregnant. I know this financial thing is my conditioning and I agree that money doesn't buy you happiness but we still need to eat, pay bills and live, and I am unsure to when Dans djing is going to become successful. you see I can only work on my conditoning and work on living in the here and now ( it takes time) so one of the issues is the future plans with Dan and his carrer and being able to provide. I know I should accept him for what he is, and this is really difficult for me as I click with him so much, on a level of fun, spirtuality and everyday banter. so now I am torn between my conditioning and my connection with Dan. Or am I not in love with him, or what is love? as I should be able to accept him and things for the way they are? or have we just got into a routine with each other because this is our comfort zone and have been together for 9 years?

    I also feel lonley, Dan works very hard and we spend no time together. Dan always talks about his djing, but doesn't pay much attention to what I am doing, i.e my mum, my camping trip, etc so I feel there is something missing in this relationship, but don't know whether this is my creation? or can I override my conditining so quickly to be able to stay with Dan, without him felling my conditioned pressure of small financiall stability and his djing success, if we do stay together may these feelings come up again in 3-6 months? or shoudl I stay with him and be greatful that I have someone that loves me so much, cares for me? or if we break up worry that I will not find anyone as suited and it maybe the worst decision of my life? or maybe we have done all we can for each other with support and progression and now it time to split apart? or why am I asking all these questions if everything in terms of connecting with each other is so good? what is the actual probelm here? what am I looking for in a relationship that I don't have in ours?

    I really could do with some advice, I have given you my whole story so you maybe able to undertsand what my foundations have been like, and why i react or do things in certain way. My emotions have been up and down, I have cried but I also feel dormant about the whole thing. i don;t know what is going on but I do know I need some loving help.

    love & peace

    I look forward to your knowledge

    vasuxxx

    Posted 2 months ago #
  8. selfseeker
    Member

    selfseeker

    Dear Vaasu,

    You are welcome to this forum, though now-a-days, it is not so much full of discussions as it used to be. I too am very infrequent visitor to this forum for quite some time.

    Now regarding your issues :

    i) First of all, drop your pains you are sticking to so dearly. You don't believe me ? But that is the truth. You are clinging to your pains that you suffered in your early life. You must get rid of it. We have a natural tendency to stick to our pains, carry our pains wherever we go, whatever we do etc. but that is stupidity, isn't it ? I am not saying that there is something wrong with you ... it is in-built in our nature ... our instinct ... but we can't be happy if we keep on sticking to our pains. Is it difficult ? It is easy but you have to believe that it is really easy.

    ii) Pains in our life are not worthless ... we must thank all those pains that we suffered because they only made us stronger. Do you know that here you
    score over Dan & you are in a better position to face the hardships of life than Dan is & for that you must thank pains that came accross in your life.

    iii) Don't try to understand yourself too seriously. This is because "you" are nothing but a ball of thoughts. So, this "you" is not constant & stable but keeps changing. You are what you think you are.

    iv) You are actually not the combination of mind & body - the entity that you think you are. Seperate yourself from it. The way of seeing ourselves as body ... the superimposed illusion of being this body .... is the root cause of all our pains, confusion & sufferings.

    v) One more thing I would like to say before I come to your specific query. We all want to fulfil our desires. Where from the desires come ? Why should we be so mad about fulfilling our desires ? There are some desires which are linked with survival of our body & its comfort. However, there are many desires which we aquire by seeing "others" .... because the value so much to a particular desire ... "I" must also fulfil that desire. We start thinking that meaning of live lies in fulfilling that desire. ... And unfortunately we aquire so many such desires which are mother of our sufferings in life. We create our own hell in this manner.

    What I want to say is that it is good if I have a big house, I have cars, servants, millions of dollars in bank, children .... but if I don't have them then also the life is equally meaningful, then also I can be equally happy. Please remember, these things don't give meaning to our life ... it is our conditioned way of thinking that we give them so much value. We make them important & we make them potent to hurt us when these desires are not fulfilled. Creating desires ... aquiring desires ... working hard towards fulfilling them & "enjoying" ... that is the endless cycle we throw ourselves into & we call it life ! cessation of desires is where our true happiness lies.

    Should we then stop making efforts for any material things ? No. But let's not get attached to them. You are playing your "role" & play it well but always remember that it is just a role ! You didn't decide to come into this world, did you ? You didn't choose your parents, your friends, your strengths & weakness , you will never know when you will say good-bye to this world ! Whatever is there is all a passing phenomena ... give too much value to them .... get yourselves attached to them & be ready to suffer !
    .............................................

    I think your biggest worry is whether Dan will be materially successful ? Whether he would be able to support you & your children, if you decide to have them ?

    However, changing partner is a very big decision & it has serious psychological, emotional & spiritual repercussions. If you can find someone who has all the good qualities of Dan & also have money ... or some not-so-good qualities but you can cope up with them .... please go & select that man. But how will you know that for sure ? Knowing a person as he/she is, is the most difficult thing in life. First of all, there is no perfect "HE" or "She" made specially for "you" .... it is childish to think that way ... it is the biggest illusion people carry. There is no one who is without any fault. And mind it, it is easy to leave a trusted partner than getting another trusted one. It is not that if you leave Dan, he will remain without a girlfriend. Nature hates vacuum. You are not indispensible. We all are so easily replaceable that we don't dare think of it. And again, the pains of having a wrong partner ... if you don't believe in hell then you would start believing it !

    Let's think from Dan's point of view : Doesn't he want to be rich & famous ? Doesn't he want to give you loads of money you would ever need to keep you happy ? But he is not yet successful. Why ? Is there a better way ? What are other things he can be good at ? This can be discussed between both of you & sorted out.

    My advice is ... give him a chance. He is not successful ... but he knows it & trying to be successful .... he is sincere, isn't he ? ... he needs you at this time when he is struggling.

    I think you are too much focussed on yourself. Success & failures ... they keep coming & going in our lives. He who is successful today can be a failure tomorrow
    & vice-versa.

    ---------------------------------------------------

    May God bless both of you ....

    Posted 2 months ago #
  9. BroDan
    Member

    BroDan

    Wow Vasu, I think you've done amazingly well to get all that out.

    You have done the right thing in posting that here as there are some incredibly clear beings on here such as Selfseeker, Starion, Infinity Rose and Chip who are also amazing friends and that hopefully before long will turn up with some of their wonderful insight for you.

    Personally it's what Starion says above that has made me feel a lot better about me and you, Starion ends his post with:

    "BroDan: A massage course brings up a lot of issues, a lot of pain and insecurity.
    For an entire year, that I was taking massage school, I received at least one massage a day as well as giving one...and a thousand issues I thought lay way down under...managed
    to rise like bubbles in a lava lamp. It's a very emotional and upheaval kind of a time
    and I was extremely vulnerable and didn't realize it. During that year, I made some
    unstable decisions, even though I was warned not to make any life changing decisions at
    all. By the time I was done, I had made decisions that would take over 10 years to unravel and wished I hadn't.
    If the love of your life is going through this, she is extremely vulnerable. Extremely. She might be swamped with emotions she's never had, and wrongly believing
    your relationship is to blame. It isn't. Any unresolved issues are going to rise up
    and cause some mental, emotional wrestling. Be there for her even if she threatens to
    go elsewhere... inform her that you are there through thick and thin,...through all
    of the ups and downs..all of it... and also suggest, if her class of massage does not
    a counselor to help her through the emotional upheavals that massage can arouse.
    The body holds the memories of the life lived, holds the emotions, the pain the
    suffering of the life lived. Every muscle, organ, bit of flesh, holds these memories.
    A knife cut is held by the tissues that sustained it; even generations of flesh years
    later still remember that intrusion into the body. Parent cells that experienced the
    cut, pass the emotion onto newer cells who carry that memory. It is like the emotion
    is held in an energy pattern into which the cells are born and they live in this
    memory. So this is some of what she is experiencing.
    Now, as she works on another, she might become sensitive to the feelings held
    in the flesh of another....and this is also overwhelming at first. She needs to
    ground herself...or she will be swept away by the feelings of all those she comes
    in contact with.
    Massage is not just rubbing oil on skin; it is sharing energy feelings and becoming
    aware of those energy messages. She needs you now more than ever to hold her stable
    while she explores this.."

    Starion has made me understand that confusion that arises so deeply with in us throws our judgement of everything else out of the window so I just wanted say, I agree that I haven't spent enough time with you recently and aim to do just that, not because of a command given by you or some one else but simply because I want to see your amazing smile again.

    Also Starion has made me see that this turbulent time your going through isn't about me, my financial situation etc but is something with in you that you are battling. So this has made me feel a lot better and see that I am after all true and loving.

    I'd also like you to know that I have no time at which I need an answer from you Poppy, you take your time and when you re settle then well see what well do with out relationship, till then I just can't see you making a grounded decision. I feel you also need me just to be near you, maybe just in the same city so when ever you need anything you know I'm there.

    Starion, Selfseeker, Chip, Infinity Rose and Friends, please help Vasu see light through this, she is an amazing being that is very much worth every effort of help.

    I'll do my best not to comment any more and step out of this to let you guys conquer together.

    Lots and lots of Love to you all.

    BroDan

    x

    x

    Posted 2 months ago #
  10. gatesofgrace
    Member

    gatesofgrace

    selfseeker wrote:

    iii) Don't try to understand yourself too seriously. This is because "you" are nothing but a ball of thoughts. So, this "you" is not constant & stable but keeps changing. You are what you think you are.

    iv) You are actually not the combination of mind & body - the entity that you think you are. Seperate yourself from it. The way of seeing ourselves as body ... the superimposed illusion of being this body .... is the root cause of all our pains, confusion & sufferings.

    brodan,lilivasu,

    It is with a smile that this one did not make brodan's short list, yet we have shared before...

    It is in response to the above by selfseeker that this one has accepted to respond. What was shared by selfseeker is born of truth! But let's dance around her statements a little more...

    ...don't try to understand yourself to seriously... "you" are nothing but a ball of thoughts.

    Yet, freed from those ball of thoughts and the "you" will be realized. Apart from the conditioned and experienced vasu... there is "one" who awaits to begin a more wholistic experience. That "one" is actually born of the whole and in time, all that is... will be seen... as selfseeker has identified being something less than this... a changing and evolving "self" that has no foundation... fleeting as the rays of dawn, unsure as the last breeze of each day... this is where you "are in part" and selfseeker has rightfully pointed this out.

    Selfseeker wrote further:

    You are actually not the combination of mind & body - the entity that you think you are. Separate yourself from it.

    Let me offer that as selfseeker moves on and illustrates the conditions that are superimposed on the mind and body... it is when the mind and body unites, where the "self " is realized and where the mind and body collapses onto themselves... whereby what remains is the accelerated spirit that is an extension of that "one"/ or the essence that is the "ALL".

    Here pain, confusion and suffering gets turned on their heads. Let me offer how this can be... when one sees another let's say, in all that they are, in the beauty/handsome or in the unsightly/homely... what is seen in each is not as before. Seeing into the root that is their spirit each is accelerated upon a new way. Understanding that the beauty is enamored let's say, by the attention that is afforded to her/him; one offers to balance that one by seeing (offering) something else.

    Consider: As the instructor was overcome by the shear beauty of the student, her name brought a smile to himself. He told her that her name, Albonita reminded him of something, and that each time he saw her he would think of that thing. When the student asked him what could that be... he told her that in Mexico they fish for the bonito in the sea. So he told her that she would be seen as the fish girl much to her guffaw. It is in this way that pain and suffering is turned around as well.

    Relationship is the essence of this manifestation... thanks for sharing yours... if you like i could offer more concerning relationship and how both the beloved and the lover can be in this perpetual dance that is born of love...

    Blessings!

    Posted 2 months ago #
  11. starion
    Member

    starion

    Vasu....You are going through a very intense time of your life...there is self discovery, there is remembering things that you forgot you knew, becoming aware of things you haven't felt before,a lot of feelings, memories, trying to change and improve the you, you are. There is a point where you think you have all there is, that you are totally independent and have resolved all of your being...
    I went through all of that..resolved child abuse, fathers leaving, divorce, a
    couple of relationships that were ended and painful, a mental breakdown,...thought I had resolved everything, even went through counseling to get my mind right, and I was
    riding high... almost flying...there is so much energy, but I was handling it...
    so I thought...that I was ever so much more enlightened than those around me...

    Posted 2 months ago #
  12. BroDan
    Member

    BroDan

    Oh Selfseeker! I hadn't seen your post, computer hid it while I was writing another.

    Amazing. Truly liberating and amazing post. I'm going though my own adventure here because of my beloved Vasu's adventure so am in a position where I'm reassuring my self of the inner strength and power of positive belief I know I have clarified my being and developed to.

    I can see I am doing my best to be Vasu's best friend right now rather than her lover. I have moved out to a friends house to give her all the room and time she needs to work out how she feels. When I am confident she is able to make fair judgement on her life and me we can go from there.

    I know what you mean about it being easy to leave someone you've been in a long relationship with in the hope of finding some one else better fitted to the desired check list, I say this though I have no experience of it. I suppose what it is is that I'm not going to tempt fate till I know so with Vasu I'll do my very best to carry out what she wishes while I feel she is un able to make fair judgement. If I didn't put the time in to this I could be making the biggest mistake of my life so if we split, at least I know it won't be down to me!!!

    I feel that if I'd have decided to just grit my teeth, leave her, move out, get my desires fulfilled etc that I quite simply would have no idea of quite how difficult it may be find the next, or another girl of my dreams. Vasu is the only girl in my life (at the grand age of 31!) that I've either never felt the need to leave or If I have, have always chosen to ride times out till the truth appears.

    Over the last 9 years I have had my fazes, I hit boredom twice, was sure I'd fallen in love with some one that I thought was going to be so much more fun to be with and at one point even craved better sex though it was (and still is ehem!) all on my behalf.

    Vasu, I don't know weather I wrote what I have above because I'm trying to impress you, win you back or wether I'm writing to make my self understand my actions right now of giving you all this room and time, I don't know but doing this for you, feels worth it.

    Thanks guys,

    BroDan

    Posted 2 months ago #
  13. BroDan
    Member

    BroDan

    Hi Gatesofgrace,

    I forgot to write that yesterday I went and carefully read your post over and over numerous times trying to understand it. The bits that I understood were amazing. Saying that I felt that your post was more a demonstration of how well you can write English and that you wrote it to impress us, as you can see from Vasu's and my English skills that they are no where near as developed as yours so wondered why you chose the communicate your thoughts in such a foreign manner.

    Hey guys,

    I just wanted to say that Vasu is still very much lost, I know she has read over this thread and all your amazing posts but probably doesn't have the strength to post back what she thinks. I sent her this mail:

    .......................................................................................................................................................................................................

    Hey Vasu,

    I thought your post on collection Of Thoughts was amazing.

    In regards to what we said over the phone you must get it out of your head that I'm in pain or in need of knowing what you want to do with our relationship, I know it's a difficult thing for you to grasp that I am actually Ok just being on stand by till you make your mind up but it's the truth as I have no desire to stray away with any one else as I have so many energy drawing and amazing things going on in my life that I am easily kept busy following my dreams and goals plus spending time with Marky and Juan while you re settle.

    Un till I see you through this I see your decisions as ungrounded and just can't go by them, as soon as you are re settled then well see where we stand even if takes a month, maybe even longer. I am there for your now with no wild emotions or discomfort, I am here for you now not as a lover but as your truest friend.

    For ever your friend and soul mate,

    Scraggy

    xx

    x
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    x
    x
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    x

    ......................................................................................................................................................................................................

    Vasu replied:

    Thanks scraggy, that is helpful to know that I have longer than till this Friday. Yes I am confused and still trying to working out everything as I said in the post. Maybe I have become so ungrounded that my feelings have become numb, I go through points were I am upset then points of being blank, it just makes me think that if I am feeling blank what does that mean, does that mean I don’t want to be with you, i don’t know. I really look forward to sleeping as I am so tired now from not sleeping enough. Your email is great, thanks for being supportive and a true bestest friend, soul mate, no matter what happens you will always be that. It is best that I don’t make any rash decisions. Once again comes up another episode were one of us is going through something, but we have become stronger in ourselves because of the scenarios that we are going through. I hope my post helped you understand.

    I am looking forward to hear what the guys on the forum say.

    Cheers poppey, xx

    ........................................................................................................................................................................................................

    I wondered guys, with your wise judgement, what further advice can you give Vasu in regards to her reply above ?

    Thanks to you all,

    BroDan

    Posted 2 months ago #
  14. BroDan
    Member

    BroDan

    Hi Guys,

    Vasu's still so lost.

    I have now temporarily moved out and we spoke on the phone today.

    She said to me it was nice that I cooked her dinner and bought her a 'Choc free choc bar' but that doing anything like that isn't needed as she knows how nice I am already, so now it's at a state where we can't even be friends and exchange gifts.

    Vasu wen't on to say that she wanted me to be ready for the fact that in a week or so she may well still feel as lost and not know how she feels about me so may then deceide we should split even though she can't make her mind up about how shee feels about me.

    I tried to explain to her what you guys describe above, that is that with time the truth will appear but she doesn't believe it and thinks she will still feel lost for how she feels about me for probably months from now.

    At this point she went on to say that my feelings aside she felt it was wrong or not right for her to be in two different states of mind about what she feels so eventually will be forced to make a decision, I feel frustrated because I've tried telling her that as long as she rides this out she will eventually see the truth and be able to make a founded decision on us and our future but she just doesn't feel this.

    Vasu also went on to say that maybe she now feels lost about her feelings towards me or doesn't want to be with me any longer because she met me 9 years ago when she was only 19 and said that maybe she needs to make the big mistake of splitting up with me to find out what she really feels about me.

    In a way it makes sense but as we've tried explaining to her this mistake is one that emotionally could challenge us in ways we never expected only to find out it wasn't needed and leave us both roaming the world lonely for years to come before we find some else we both feel as happy with.

    I very much think she feels she want's to explore her self by having relationships with other men and sleep with other men to see if what we have between us is really so right (I known the sex is going to be so much better for her as I just don't last any time in bed and it's some thing I would give anything to resolve). I think that she also feels that in being with other men it would give her insight in to seeing if I truly am her true love, at which point I have a rather strong feeling that by then we would be left drifted apart and the amazing relationship we once had totally destroyed and over.

    Please guys, if not for Vasu who seems adamant she knows best, what advice can you give me while I live between her making her mind up and my own life.

    How long should I allow for Vasu to listen to what her higher self is trying to tell her before I am to walk away ?

    I now really don't know what else I can do and your soothing advice is all I can see gaining right now which would mean so much to me.

    Please help.

    BroDan

    Posted 2 months ago #
  15. selfseeker
    Member

    selfseeker

    Dear Brodan,

    I am disappointed to see you getting so desperate.

    I have already talked enough. It is for you to take charge of the situation. Why do you think that "you" are not complete in yourself ? You must calm down & explore inside. All the joys apparently "coming" to you from things / people (& that includes Vasu too) around you are fleeting & short-lived. The real joy lies within you. You are complete in yourself & the real joy lies in knowing that.

    Things will keep coming & going. The times will be changing non-stop every moment. Success & failures will come & go. Friends will become strangers & strangers will become friends. There is nothing to be upset about all these changes.

    May God give us wisdom to remain unaffected in this ever changing world !

    Posted 2 months ago #
  16. BroDan
    Member

    BroDan

    Thanks Selfseeker,

    you gave me the axact truth I needed to hear:

    "The real joy lies within you. You are complete in yourself & the real joy lies in knowing that."

    Brilliant, your so right and YES, I know I am complete as a person and that the feeling complete does not stem from who I am currently with. On the whole I have been amazingly clear about all this, that was just a moment I was going through, in fact I met Vasu yesterday and could see there quite simply was no desperation what so ever to have or want her back. If she wishes, I realised that I am more than happy to her go, move out, get my own space and carry on living the fantastic position I am in.

    It's my Birthday today and control of the situation I now totally have. That's the end of the unreasonable thought, freedom is mine .

    Thanks Selfseeker, I needed to hear the obvious.

    Dan

    Posted 2 months ago #
  17. BroDan
    Member

    BroDan

    Ok, moving on . . .

    i am left with strong memories of most of you saying what stupid decisions you have made about pushing a partner away only to find you regretted it so much after and as Starion, you say you regretted certain decisions for years after so I'm guessing that these decisions where over pushing some one who you loved so much but only realised after right but couldn't have them back ?

    I am now looking at a situation where I am being pushed away from Vasu, weather she feels as she's mentioned that it's because we may be at time to part due to the fact that we have now taken all there is to take from our relationship, or weather as she said may be that she feels she needs to conquer loneliness on her own, who knows but it's now looking very likely we are to part but Vasu still has no idea why.

    So I wanted to ask you guys, with all that you say about being lost walking the planet looking for the next love and how it often takes years or never happens, how much of an effort is 'founded' effort to put in to saving a relationship ?

    Does some one not find the next true love easily because he or she who is searching is desperate so does not attract the next true love but actually pushes the opportunities away with a negative out look ?

    Or is it that we fear loneliness and so find our selves as I am trying to make a relationship last ?

    Or is there a time when relationships need to end even, where we in the relationship have moved on ? Even if the view is one sided ?

    I'm pretty much ok with it all I'm just interested in your experiences and weather you think It's even worth me putting in effort to save what to me from what you all say seems special?

    Thanks guys,

    Dan

    Posted 2 months ago #
  18. starion
    Member

    starion

    You ask if it is worth you putting in the effort???? Since you cannot make anyone
    else love you, or be with you, perhaps it's time to perfect yourself as much as
    possible, to expand yourself in more fulfilling directions, take up a new hobby,
    go in your own directions toward fulfilling yourself. It might be with this new dance and this new direction that she returns to you to find you much more interesting.
    Even though she doesn't, you might find you actually have outgrown her or the two
    of you were going in different directions to begin with.
    In my situation, I fell into a ten year relationship with the wrong person, and oh,
    it has taken a long time to crawl up and out of that and begin to function as the
    universe and I work best together... and that is where I need to be to bring in another
    relationship.
    My soul has its own rhythm to things and is pretty much in charge (in spite of my protests otherwise!) and that despite me, it brings forth those situations which evoke my highest rewards, regardless of my tears, protestations, and complaints... (which are often numerous!), prayer does work but often takes years to unfold, so patience is developed. For every difficult thing, a good reward comes forth.

    Posted 2 months ago #

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