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1. Star
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   as long as we can inquire as to 'how we see things', then however we see things, if we
   hold it as an absolute, is only a 'fixed' position...

   on this groundless ground of Being...even when and if we 'think' we have experienced the 'ultimate'...even if we 'think' we know how form apparently appears...there can still be asked the question...'how do we know'...and if we can ask that question...then we have reached another limit to inquire into...

   even if we can say...'well i know b/c it was experienced'...that can be said about anything...how do you know that you even experience? or that what you experience is true?

   even if you experience heaven coming down out of heaven, and have a vision of god on his throne, surrounded by ten thousand angels...or whatever vision you might experience...

   how do you know?

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2. GrimNexus
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   star you said:
   "as long as we can inquire as to 'how we see things', then however we see things, if we
   hold it as an absolute, is only a 'fixed' position...

   on this groundless ground of Being...even when and if we 'think' we have experienced the 'ultimate'...even if we 'think' we know how form apparently appears...there can still be asked the question...'how do we know'...and if we can ask that question...then we have reached another limit to inquire into...

   even if we can say...'well i know b/c it was experienced'...that can be said about anything...how do you know that you even experience? or that what you experience is true?

   even if you experience heaven coming down out of heaven, and have a vision of god on his throne, surrounded by ten thousand angels...or whatever vision you might experience...

   how do you know?"

   hmmm,
   so there is hope for your granddaughter to come back to life here on Earth.

   ---
   ps. so what about:

   Even if you experience: "we can inquire as to 'how we see things'", even if we can say...'well i know b/c it was experienced'...that can be said about anything...
   how do you know? ?

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3. Star
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   how do i know that pigs don't fly?

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4. GrimNexus
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   why would you inquire into something that you know, already has no basis?

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5. Star
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   why would you inquire into what i inquire if you know it has no basis?

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6. GrimNexus
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   oh, so you didn't know the answer to the question.

   *noted*

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7. Star
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   pigs can fly...just not first class...

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8. GrimNexus
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   what are you talking about?

   that is standing

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9. Star
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   what is the difference in standing and not standing? is that not just a perception also?

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10. GrimNexus
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    who said anything about not-standing?
    what's that?

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11. Star
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    you tell me...

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12. Starss
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    In this reality there are specific rules which define it. Gravity is one rather
    solid rule...... Piggy piggy flying high. dropped some whitewash in my eye, but
    I'll be brave and I'll not cry...gosh I'm glad elephants can't fly. A little
    silly there. (The original was a birdie...but since Star was questioning why pigs
    can't fly...geez I am rather glad considering absence of rounded pink pigs in flight...)

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13. Starss
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    Star, you are trying to define existence. You are what you are trying to define.
    Therefore, start from the ground up and define the form you are in. Define all the
    physical things that form can do. Keep your elbow out of your ear for this definition.
    Now, if you intend to define the universe from the universal side, without form,
    beyond form, drop your body, and use your mind...because that's where you'll be
    functioning from. Your mind.
    So, now you ask what your mind can perceive. You can perceive 360 vision, absolute
    hearing, mental speaking, you can imagine...in fact anything you can think exists in
    your mind...your physical senses are but offshoots of your mind to begin with so all
    of your physical senses are enhanced 1000% without your body which saps a considerable
    amount of your energy in order to function and go from moment to moment.

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14. Star
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    starion...LOL...

    no, i am not trying to define existence...lol

    i am questioning its limits...and not with 'mind'...mind is our very own focal point...that also can be opened up...when you inquire from Being...it's a different place, that is not a place...it is open and all inclusive...like a point of zero...

    maybe, we are all just really those points of zero...all Being...and i am finding when i open that up, without trying to define...wow...time, space, and knowledge become a magical place for Being to dance...open and nonrestricted...awesome!

    i might of even seen a few pink pigs flying around last night...LOL...no elephants yet...but hey...who knows...LOL

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15. abstractprophet
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    starion

    You must remind yourself that even though gravity appears as a solid rule to the earth there is a whole lot more going on than this speck of dust, which I am certain you are aware of. lol

    What is it that gravity is in relation to? Does anyone know?

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16. Star
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    abby, i just addressed the gravity limit on my tsk thread...WOW...talk about sincronicity...lol

    i have not gotten that far with it abby to be able to articulate it...in terms of how you asked the question...but from my most recent experiences, gravity is not fixed within being...

    there seems to be a zero point, that is not held by gravity...even though our bodies seem to be...if that makes any sense...i'm still exploring it though...so don't hold me to a position! LOL...

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17. shin
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    "how do you know?"

    When we get to the bottom of thq question there is only one answer "we don't know how we know". "on this groundless ground of Being..." how could it be otherwise?
    IOW, whatever we know is somehow made up and as we grow up we learn to agree with what is called consensus reality.
    This is not to put this reality down, it has served us well, it still does so in many ways, but it has its limitations. Its biggest problem is that it has such inertia that for the first time in human existence the physical/material changes which happen now outstrip the capacity, or willingness, of this consensus to adapt to it.

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18. GrimNexus
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    shin you said:
    "we don't know how we know".
    Agreed.
    but that doesn't mean that's what we are though.

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19. Star
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    shin and grim...

    both of you have taken great pains in pointing out that the very way we think to know
    is based on a structure that limits knowing...and i totally agree...

    so i ask you both again...could there not be possible a way of knowing that is not approached through usual ways of thinking through usual structures of knowledge?

    when we say that we cannot know how we know...that is another limit that we can inquire
    into...for one thing, that very unknowing is knowing...but it is a knowing that is based on the very structure of knowing that we continue to use and continues to limit our knowing...

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20. GrimNexus
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    star,

    your last post is exactly what i am talking about.

    you said:
    "so i ask you both again...could there not be possible a way of knowing that is not approached through usual ways of thinking through usual structures of knowledge?"

    the short answer,
    Yes, there is.

    I am attempting to point it out, exactly like you mentioned is the issue,
    (star said)"when we say that we cannot know how we know...that is another limit that we can inquire into...for one thing, that very unknowing is knowing...but it is a knowing that is based on the very structure of knowing that we continue to use and continues to limit our knowing"

    my very attempt to show you how to point it out, is blocking it...
    sorry i've been a poopy head

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21. Star
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    grim...i know how to connect to knowing too...my tsk practice has opened it wide up...and it is awesome...just learning how to articulate it though...

    no prob...you know i love you...

    it is just that we have to use our words differently, instead of causing limits, they will bust them wide open...i am just beginning to understand this...it is way cool and wild...

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22. GrimNexus
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    this was already happening to me, it's been happening for months now, since before august, noticably...

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23. Star
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    that explains why you are back...lol

    one thing i have just started noticing, is the very words we use that limit, can also open...but they have to come from a place of open intimacy of Being...not just clarity of awareness...when we open that Being up, and our thinking is from there, it becomes correct action...a knowing that is alive with compassion and can heal in the here and now...it is not knowledge that is owned, nor is it knowledge that is a concrete truth...it is compassionate knowing in the here and now...very powerful and applicable to the situation that is unfolding presently...

    words are powerful...just as they can be used as a weapon of deconstructing conditioning...they can also be used to touch the very Being of compassion in another, and encourage understanding...and ignite energy that will also encourage inquiry...

    all our constructs of beliefs are transparent...frozen knowledge...when they begin melting, that knowing is released...and flows from our very Being...it can interconnect in amazing ways, and reveal amazing things...it is a relationship that is shared between being...and it is alive and vibrant...*

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