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1. abstractprophet
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   I love the story of the garden & creation as I think it is all there.

   As I understand it today I see that to live in the garden one must not eat of the fruit as this will cause one to experience as an extreme which leads us away from nirvana. This is caused by ingesting the knowledge which has the effect of pushing you towards an extreme so that you now see things in black and white instead of the complete spectrum of colours experienced in the garden. The consequence that you lose sight of the rainbow and live in black and white is significant here. Of course once one has tasted the sweet nectare it is hard to not continue to eat. lol

   To live in the garden one must allow the tree to be as it is and must never eat of the fruit.

   On a personal note the tree has presented itself to me twice now and I have not eaten of the fruit and surprise surprise, I am still ok.

   I would be interested in any other thoughts around this.

   Also I must request that you take what is said here as light heartedly as it is offered. In other words don't take it to seriously so we can ALL have a bit of fun in the garden. :o)

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   what are you specifying as the fruit that is not to be eaten?

   i say, eat of the fruit...each and every fruit...live, love, breathe, fuck, whatever...play in the garden of life...taste of the knowing in the here and now...

   all has been created to experience...

   just don't become attached to the experience or the experiencer...

   be filled with your own inner joy...and eat...*

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   I can see how that idea works and also how it would be the first misperception & resistance that most would encounter as I was just musing this exact same thing over lunch. lol

   I am not suggesting that the tree should be chopped down. I am suggesting that it must remain in the garden of life so that you & I can recognise good (creative) & evil (destructive) forces which are important to our experiencing.

   What I am suggetsing is that you do not digest the fruit. Another way to say this is to say not to be attached to the fruit, or knowledge. Simply allow it to be, as it is. This is True wisdom, imo.

   Can you see how it can be problematic that when we digest fruit it becomes a basis for argument? Your concepts on belief point to the exact same thing.

   IMO, one must also always remain aware that they are exactly where they (and everyone & everything) are in any given moment and trust that the thoughts that are arising are always perfect and relevent to what experiencing is presenting in that moment. It is most excellent in its precision that allows one to accept that they are in a constant state of living within Gods Grace. lol

   IOW to eat of the tree is to remain in black and white where resistance will continue to be experienced as resistance. Whereas when the fruit is not digested there is no resistance and one can begin to experience & see with naked awareness, each moment fresh and new unto itself.

   Of course these are just concepts and ideas that only relevent in that they are experienced in the here and now.

   What do you think?

   BTW the river & the garden are not mine, to think of them as such is to digest the fruit. lol

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   so are you now saying that we do eat, just don't digest?

   i don't understand what you are getting at...who makes the judgment between what is good/creative and evil/destructive?

   and what do you mean about knowledge? are you saying that knowledge is the evil fruit that can be tasted but not digested?

   how can you have wisdom without discernment of knowledge? and is not even that knowledge we think as evil...good? don't some things need to be destroyed?

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   "so are you now saying that we do eat, just don't digest?"

   Presently, I have the view that eating and digesting are the same thing.

   "who makes the judgment between what is good/creative and evil/destructive?"

   Presently, I think it is the person who is experiencing. Think of it as a survival mechanism.

   "and what do you mean about knowledge? are you saying that knowledge is the evil fruit that can be tasted but not digested?"

   As you know knowledge is what you are, which is why it is in the garden. lol Presently, what I am saying that when we hold on to knowledge we experiance resistance as resistance whereas when we let it go we experience resistance as flowing, in a sense.

   "how can you have wisdom without discernment of knowledge? "

   Presently, and I am not saying I am right, I believe that wisdom comes from the letting go of knowledge, the knowing that it will not last and that outside the experiencing it is redundant. That is not to say that one may not look back, yet in looking back that is still always experiencing in the moment.

   "and is not even that knowledge we think as evil...good? "

   Presently, I believe all to be by Gods Grace yes.

   "don't some things need to be destroyed?"

   Presently, this leads me to ask isn't it the natural flow to see comings and goings?

   What are you experiencing right now? Through your eyes what is the cause of the resistance you experince?

   Anyways, I really must work.

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   i'm not experiencing any resistence...i'm in the garden...eating my fill of joy...digesting it as well...lol

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   That is way cool and it makes me happy. Especially as it debunks what I am expressing through what I am presently experiencing. lol

   Yet outwardly you still appear to cause resistance. Why do you think that is?

   **In regards to the above comment I must say it makes me happy to see you working on this currently. I am also, clearly. lol

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   abby said:
   "Yet outwardly you still appear to cause resistance. Why do you think that is?"

   WHO is it that EXPERIENCES this?

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   It is I of course, which is why I said I am clearly working on this also. lol

   Who am I though?

   The initial comment is based purely on observations I have made towards interactions you have had with various people here, including I. Tell me, is there anyone on here that appears to resist what you say, is their anyone that you resist what they say? If you can see someone that is resiting outwardly is it within the realms of possibility that you are a catalyst for resistance?

   WHAT IS THE BASIS OF THAT RESISTANCE?

   I understand that within yourself you are not experiencing resistance, but if you are honest with yourself you must see that until no one resists you resistance is still in place. What do you think?

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    anytime any resistence is experienced...it is the one experiencing this resistence that is within whatever experience 'they' 'think' they are having...

    while questions and posts may trigger this, what is being triggered is conditioning of a self...someone that 'owns' the experience...Being does not own any experience...nor does it have any experiencer...

    even when you argue with grim, or grim argues with you, or i argue with whomever...the resistence belongs to the experiencer of the experience...

    even when grim was saying all that about my daughter and grandchild...i felt no resistence...only compassion...

    i am not claiming that i have no conditioned patterns left to be revealed or experienced...they are just very few and far between...that does not mean that i will stop questioning or inquiring...when i inquire from compassionate Being...there is always fruit...joy*

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    abby asked..."Who am I?"

    that is not something you should ask me...inquire this of your own awareness...

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    In a sense that is correct.

    Yet, iow, when you look at the exchange like that you are experiencing as an extreme as the focus is on You & I. Presently I believe that this falls short as it does not see that the exchange itself is the true indication of the nature of the dialogue between both parties. It is never Yours or My fault.

    Truth lies in the exchange, in the relationship. Not in the extremes.

    I've got to run but try and look at what I am saying in terms of what is happening in Gaza right now instead of what is happening between anyone on this forum. This may help to understand what I am presently trying to imply.

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    star,

    "that is not something you should ask me...inquire this of your own awareness..."

    Presently, I see that I am Awareness as abby. It is not something that I can own either as it is purely by the Grace of God, the Grace of Awareness, that I am able to experience as I am.

    Presently I see that the precision is most excellent. lol

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    if i get concerned about who is resisting what, would that not mean that i am attached to my own opinions and ideas? and a self that is having them?

    this is a great measuring stick to see when conditioning is still in play...

    anytime i am attached to an experience or as an experiencer...that is another level of conditioning i can look at...and inquire into...

    even if you were to tell me..."star...burn in hell"...if i experienced any suffering b/c of that...it would always be due to my own conditioned beliefs...

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    i am not focused on you nor am i focused on me...just being is having a chat...with being...being called star and being called abby...

    creating a relationship of BEING...lol

    subject and object are of the same Being...

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    Do you mind if we move the focus away from identities on this forum?

    Do you think Hitler suffered in the face of the suffering he caused? He was always smiling in the footage I have seen of him. You can not possibly believe that those that suffered at his hands suffered as it was their fault.

    Also when isn't conditioning at play? Presently, I believe conditioning must be seen as absolutely everything to be absolutely understood, then conditioning becomes experiencing becomes.........and on and on and on...........

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    "creating a relationship of BEING...lol

    subject and object are of the same Being... "

    You see we are saying exactly the same thing. lol

    What relationship is ever one sided?

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    "if i get concerned about who is resisting what, would that not mean that i am attached to my own opinions and ideas? and a self that is having them?"

    IMO, no. It would actually show that you are conciously aware of the reaction towards your action which I see as the basis for a wider scope to display compassion outwardly.

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    anything i say about hitler or gaza would be purely speculation...and i think i covered my thoughts and answered your questions on gaza in another thread; did you read it?...

    when i think about such things, do i like them? hell no...is that based on my conditioning? probably...lol...

    all conditioning is obviously not a bad thing...but as far as understanding why things like gaza continue to be...that is above what i know...i am just human you know? LOL...

    i do have opinions on why it continues to happen, also covered in my threads about the triune brain and evolution of consciousness...

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    i thought we weren't talking about that anymore? make up your mind...lol

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    star,

    Many of your posts point to the exact thing that is the cause of (any) conflict. lol

    Yes you are human but in actuality there is a deep level of compassion within you that I sense is very close to being realised. :o)

    The assumption right now is that all it requires to open up further is, to use your own words, Integration.

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    "i thought we weren't talking about that anymore? "

    About what? lol

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    well, when i got concerned about what grim was doing...it was out of compassion...but grim's concern is compassionate too...

    just like yours and everyone elses...

    when we have a reaction to what has been posted...like i said, that is a measuring stick we can measure with...and only we can really know if we are truly being honest with ourselves...

    it is clear that a lot of what i have said to you and what grim has said to you...triggers something within you...or you would not keep bringing it up...

    also, the same thing with me...i notice what and when something triggers an uncomfortable feeling within me, then i look at it honestly...

    sometimes people are just being ridiculous...me included...but we can look at what that triggers in us as well...and use it for our own benefit...after all, the clearer we are with ourselves, wont that enable us to be clearer with others?

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    Yes, but can you not see that when one does not cause those reactions, it is only then that all actions can be seen outwardly as arising from base of compassion?

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    star,

    It is all ridiculous. IOW, that is why it is so beautiful. lol

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    just what you said abby...that is a judgment that you made against me...now while i did not take it to heart...maybe you should...

    are you now the judge of what is causing conflict or not? if there is a conflict...it is only in the eye of the beholder...

    iow...if and when and every time i see conflict...it is only the conflict within my own experience...you said this in another post...

    as far as you judging my level of compassion...you cannot actually do that...as i cannot judge yours...

    as far as you seeing me as integrated or not...is that not arrogant of you to even suggest such a thing? it is one thing to question and inquire into anothers post...but judging them as integrated or not; compassionate or not...that seems to be a little out of line...

    while i may not be affected by these judgments, i'm not an idiot and can see them for what they are...even if you cannot...*

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    "it is clear that a lot of what i have said to you and what grim has said to you...triggers something within you...or you would not keep bringing it up..."

    I am of the opinion that you and grim have a lot of wonderful knowledge to share, for which I am greatful, which I have learnt from. I do not for one second question that you have not found what many seek and again am thankful to you both (as well as anything else I have ever experienced) for pointing it out to me.

    However, I do think that yours and grims bellies are too full with knowledge, like 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the populace, including me. lol

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    ABBY...NO ONE CAN CAUSE A REACTION IN YOU...you are responsible for everything you feel, everything you believe, and all of your own actions...

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    maybe you are just lazy...and feeding out of someone elses garden...dunno...*shrugs*

    that is compassion btw...

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30. abstractprophet
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    star,

    I am not the judge, nor do I condemn, I am just expressing what I am experiencing right now shich is that I see that when one digests the fruit it is impossible to not get caught up in an extreme.

    Presently I see that it is the digesting that causes the conflict. I may wake up tommorrow and see it is something else.

    Also, I do sincerely appoligise for judging you. It was not my intention and I can see how that judgement may have caused harm. Will you forgive me?

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