A request first:
Please, if you have seen this before or you recognise what it is, don't just blurt it out into the forum.
Please do not destroy someone else's experience of recognitions.
If you can make out what it is simply post something like "I've got it"
Here it is, my new avatar graphic. An image of what?
ss
you are obviously not good at keeping secrets, or reading, or honoring requests. :)
Luckily you got it wrong.
The 'image' is the right way up.
Hey shin, you asked only those who knew, to keep mum & not those who were supposed to guess ! Anyway, it was wrong, so no harm done !
I may be able to give a few hints, as I see it:
-you cannot figure out what it is. IOW, you have to virtually suppress your thoughts and just LOOK. LOOK!
-you may have to return to it a number of times. You try and try and try and try ... without success and .... all of a sudden you see it.
-once you get it, it will be unmistakable, absolutely clear, without any doubt.
-once you get it you will always see it.
OK, so I know what it is! Half close the eyes and look...And it's cute, but I
promise not to give it away.... Now, being an artist, I could look at it a dozen
times and find something else as well. But that's the kind of mind I warp with.
lol, ooohh starss,
You gave the game up, girl! Now, i wonder if you blur your eyes deliberately like some artists do...
Shin,
Good one. v cute.
For those who think that they've got it, one can ask the question 'where does the image exist?'
Do the black-and-white shapes create an image, and if they do, where?
What happens between not seeing it and seeing it? What is the difference?
And do you see similarities between this visual phenomena and other existential spheres?
And now it is something different....oh having a mind like mine is a
disaster... but Shin, it sure keeps those brain cells firing...
I had a friend who was good at seeing black and white things. He could
identify things like this easily. You add color and he got lost. Oh he
saw the colors but his mind was better with black and white like computers
and numbers.
Me, I can differentiate between 30 shades of green...and give you a color you think
is black, but is really three shades mixed together as an illusion.
It's just the way I used the mind I was given...sort of like meditation.
Asking me to look inwardly at a white spot is boring...but asking me to see
a flickering candle flame and my mind is right there...focusing on that flame.
I also understand that living causes us to differentiate between stripes on a
rattler and stripes on a skunk and know what to do about it.
It a bodily protection thing....not that this image is either of those.
Thank you Shin...
Ever look at clouds??????????? Now I see a fat chicken riding on a pig...Bless this
mind of mine. When I was a kid, I thought something was wrong with me because nobody
ever made the same connections that I did.
I have some wooden cabinets in my house. Sometimes if I look at the knotholes and
the way the wood swirls, I can see faces and odd shapes. Rather like the wood is
alive with little creatures and images of little creatures. And yes, I am sane.
star
if that is your answer or a hint, then it is one constructed in the most subtle, one could say celestial, realm.
Evi tog ti ! Cluod be for teh smae rsoean you can raed tihs stcentne ? by uinsg teh rhigt sdie fo teh barin to see ptaentrs or teh big "prtcuie" whutoit lal teh dletias ?
Just guessing the reason , but I can make out what the picture is !
OK, who needs to have their ego affirmed and show it off by being first to post the 'solution'. LOL
Who is chomping at the bit to be first out of the stable. LOL
OK Shin. At first I saw an owl, one of those spotted ones...sort of comic
and cute. A snowman, Then I saw a chick looking at me. Then a dalmation dog with its head facing to the left. You say it is a horse.....if you say so....Told you my
mind was an oddity....
The stable doors are open but the horse has not yet bolted. :)
Who wants to let the cat out of the bag? But you better be right!
must have had horses on the brain , I saw right away that it was the profile of a person ( caped?) on horseback. The horse is facing left with the front leg lifted.
Its the right side of the brain that's at work here which I think is very cool. Apparently the Rightbrain is suppressed throughout our waking hours and is more fully expressed during rem sleep .. where we dream in symbols and metaphors depicting the emotions our left brain was unable to reconcile .
I'm digressing...
good job Mary...i would love to hear some more about what you were talking about the brain and emotions...i find that very interesting...*
Right Mary, and you are not digressing.
I asked some questions in an earlier post. Where is the image? Is the image on the paper (or screen in this case) or is the image in your brain?
Strictly speaking, everything is only in your brain, the whole universe in fact. The body swapping experiment (in another thread) and virtual reality technology point to that. If everything is in our brain only then other questions arise such as how this reality is shareable between people.
That the whole universe is in your mind only was behind my "One could say that" in an answer to grim a few days ago (can't remember which thread). No one seemed to have picked that up and thought that I am talking some mystical stuff, lol.
What happens between not seeing the image and seeing the image? Nothing at all has changed on the paper, therefore everything must have happened in your brain-mind.
What enables one to see when one could not before?
And now I see it! The whole from the side. Reality, this reality is
dependent upon an individual seeing such images and making them work
for them. I work with disadvantaged children. They have problems with
words but readily recognize images. That's how all of us began...
seeing something and "naming" it. Find the picture of the horse. What
sound does a horse make? Where does a horse live? Have you ever ridden
on a horse??? Now what letter does the word "horse" start with? What
is that sound???
shin, i don't think anyone was denying what you said to be a scientific fact, and one that has been resounded through the ages, via the Buddist teachings as well as Dzogchen and many others...the problem is in making sense of it...
this is why i too, started the thread on enactivism...b/c, there is something 'out there', there has to be to communicate with our conscious and cause neurons to fire in the first place to have the conscious experience 'in the brain'...or is this too, a solid position only to be investigated? from where i am viewing, it is a logical one.
we might ask, where does this 'conscious experience' actually take place? in 'my' brain? in 'your' brain? where are these 'brains'? and are they all reflecting phenomena at the same time? or is it more in line with the relationships between? the interaction? after all, i see my body, others see my body...so are we all just tripping like YAS says? some of us having one trip, and others having another?
and what about the universe and earth that apparently were here before the 'mes' and 'yous' of humanity were here to consciously experience it in human awareness?
it's nice to have all the 'pat' answers from religion and science, but they don't get us any closer to really understanding...they all seem to take us to a precipice where we have to either believe what we are being told by someone elses experience, or reject it as incomplete...
it's nice thinking of awareness as a mirror whose nature it is to reflect its essence and energy in form that is ever-changing...and taking it apart to understand it might well be a process...but when we put it all together are we any closer to really understanding? if we are, we are left with only old methods of articulating the same beliefs...and have again reached a limit...
i say the limit is an opening, or can be...b/c the explanations that science and religion have given us up until now, are not complete, and in my view not satisfactory...
conscious experience always arises in relationships...where the subject is the object of another subject that is the object of the first subject...which nullifies, subject/object...
anyways, i find this area of inquiry fascinating, and am pleased to continue on with it, as long as we do not get boxed in by our own labels and beliefs...
i, like you, share the frustration of the parroting of fixed positions...*
One of the problems of science is proving every little detail before
announcing that it is a scientific fact. One of the problems of being
a soul is that a soul is an electro-magnetic light of a very advanced
nature driven by thought. Since it doesn't respond to time, to place,
or to physical laws, soul seems to be non-existent.
There is, in our future, a time when science and energy of God will
meet and collide in a spectacular connection. Then growth shall accelerate.
((Star)) I'm not an expert about brain science. But I've picked up some sources in my curiousity that I'll share with you.
Dr. Jill Bolte Taylor ( www.ted.com)
The Introvert Advantage by Marti Olsen Laney, Psy.D. ( yet I'd guess you are not introverted lol)
There are many other unnamed resources though. I remember about a year ago, my intention was to learn how to write a poem. Starion gave me some suggestions I remember , I have the thread to go back to. Much had to do with turning to my right brain for creative inspiration. When I left my abusive marriage, I craved to see "the bigger picture" .. that led me on a path of using my right brain more, imo.
I'm not giving you an intellectual response , but more heartfelt and experiential.
Why are you interested in this topic Star ? :)
Mary, i am very interested in how the brain works; i think that we have so much ability that we barely tap the surface of...
One thing that is becoming more to the fore is that our brain has much more plasticity than we thought and this doesn't mean it is made from plastic :)
It refers to the brain's ability to reshape/reform/restrcture itself. It was thought that from a certain age on no new brain cells are formed. Latest research shows that this may not be the case and that even the brain continues to generate new brain cells throughout our lives.
It is well known that if a brain area that has a certain function is damaged, another brain area _may_ take over and restore functionality to at least some extent.
While this may be fascinating I have my doubts that _major_ future advances in living may come out of that. It all depends whether we see a full life as a matter of full mechanical-mental functioning of the brain and body, or more than that.
Full mechanical-mental functioning is IMO just the bare, and frankly boring, minimum. The intersting things do not end with that, they begin with that.
To digress, during the week I have read of research in the UK which shows that farmers who name their cows get a significantly higher yield of milk from their cows than the ones who don't. What might that tell us?
The brain is a switchboard; that is all it is... a simple switchboard with a slow
operator..
The mind...your soul mind is the true source of thought...electric thoughts whizzing
around at multi=speed....a thought is a shot of electricity which is sent through
nerve "tubes" to the location required for the reaction. That location also sends
electrical impulses as messages. All of this happens through the soul (electrical
level...)but echoed in the bodily level.
Back when I was learning self-discovery and I discovered the "funny bone" not so
funny and wondered how the body could have electricity in it, when there is no
organ to generate electricity and yet the nerves carry it, the heartbeat is
stimulated by it, and also the brain waves.
So, I thought, what comes with electricity? Magnetism of course. If you use
this force you have an effect on things around you. You charge them; they react
to your thought. So your thoughts actually have a profound effect on every cell
in your body. That is how Uri Geller used to bend spoons by affecting the atoms
of the spoon and changing how they lined up. I used to kill lit cigarettes by
imagining them doused in water. If I touch a plant with a loving touch, it pulls
some of my energy from me and trades it for energy of its own; we both benefit.
Discovered later that the mind works without the body; that the mind is
independent of, but temporarily attached to the body, that the body is what we
use to see the result of our thinking...our thoughts manifest as physical so
we have a mirror...and that love, in all of its forms, is the highest most
powerful of all thoughts....
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