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The Female Libido

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Started 1 year ago by gatesofgrace
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gatesofgrace
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Did i catch anyone's Attention?

Here's a look at the female libido that is seldom seen. This one has been straight up regarding the male libido in several threads past on the sdf and other sites.

The male libido if understood properly would be aligned with the kitten that just can't pull down the ball of yarn from it's perch, but with each reminder of it's being there, cannot resist to go it again. Or as a canine pursues it's own tail, cannot distinguish it from it's own head. lol

The female libido is much else and this one has pondered if such insight's are fathomable by their counterparts... the male libido.

Here's a summary... in so much that i can... being whom i am! lol

The female libido is so... so... so... much more... than that outlined above. For the female libido to be considered, first one must consider that when it is agreed to exercise this exotica of erotica it is with total submission. Hang on now guys! What i am referring to... is that when the female libido is freed to do it's "thing" it is done so by letting go or giving up all control... in full submission. She slips into a state where the lover takes full control of her "interests" and only he alone can fulfill them. It is in this way that one must "earn" or be considered in the up most, to deserve this authority. She for just a few moments is in full submission. One should be fully aware and realize that such accounts for the male, are far removed from anything he has previously had experienced or had momentary authority over before. One should consider to take this authority very much has more than one full measure to consider.

It is again foremost not something to stumble onto... or into! It is very much a part of the Cosmic Dance... an aspect like no other that should in reality be realized before jumping in. Yet, this is very hard for the awareness of the male libido... or for the kitten to fully fathom.
Thoughts!

Posted 1 year ago #
abstractprophet
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Your a naughty old man gates, lol

Who exactly is the female submitting to?

Posted 1 year ago #
Mary
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Caught this person's eye ! haha one quick thought ( as my laptop's battery needs recharging soon )

I think feeling SAFE with the person I'm with has much to do with my libido . The more safe, the more comfortable, the less inhibited I feel and Voila !

It takes time to know a person enough to trust them. Then rely, commit and libido grows from touching .. but knowing you're truly safe with the person , is necessary for submission ( ie truly letting go ) with another person.
This doesn't translate to just sex imo .. any form of intimate communication (sharing) involves being vulnerable and submitting to another.

Posted 1 year ago #
gatesofgrace
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Thank you Mary! ap, What you say, i guess, has been established some time ago. lol

Let's continue!

In the physical sense all is not made equal, but more so... if the female (beloved) is not free from within, to be able to let go... in her submission, there is much that can be lost or buried. Whereby, the Cosmic Dance is dually compromised.

Some of my deepest reflections have been toward those whom have been compromised in such a way. Those, that were vulnerable and tricked or seduced into submission... into giving themselves up, unaware.

This of course is apart from the norm where the beloved accepts the courtship and the lover pursues for further acceptance. There are so many whom "arrive" venerable... when circumstances (life's experience's) leave them isolated from any real measure of true acceptance.

These reflections have revealed however, that when the flesh has been "given up" (or stolen) while the mind remains detached... a disharmony is put into play. Such that the mind, will turn on "self" and will seduce it's own flesh... and the mind and flesh of others for recompense. It gets to be very nasty business indeed.

MOREOVER, and here's something seldom realized; that if one should regain their lost innocence, keep in mind this is no easy measure, they can emerge beyond the seduction that separates mind and body and return to become the consummate beloved, lover. Here, submission is channeled into the deepest depths of acceptance... unconditional. This, i remind, is seldom seen.

Perhaps a time has come whereby more of those who are caught up so, could reclaim their innocence, and embrace their acceptance... if they were shown the way?

Posted 1 year ago #
Starss
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Gates! Men have been trying to explain women since time began. Love is a dance,
my boy. She turns, he bows, she backs up, he moves in, etc. She steps this way, he
steps that, she shivers, he quivers, and the dance continues. The music changes
the steps change a little, and the rest is history. I never gave up my innocence;
I simply submitted to a higher authority. ROTFLOL Thank you Gates!

Posted 1 year ago #
gatesofgrace
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At conception all fetuses are both male and female with two reproductive systems. At six weeks the y chromosome carrying an antigen called TDF (testes determining factor) causes the two fold sex glands to sort themselves out. With TDF the ovaries degenerate and the testicles grow; when TDF is lacking the testicles degenerate and the ovaries grow. Until these signals appear, all are identical; that is to say,all embryo's are in a state of dual potential. They are on hold while hormones decide. If masculine hormones appear, a male will develop; if feminine hormones, a female. Dual potential is inherent in all sexual creatures and is realized under well-orchestrated hormonal conductership. Every one could have been man or women.

(paraphrased) The Evolution of Love by Ada Lampert ©

Starss wrote,

I never gave up my innocence;
I simply submitted to a higher authority.

Starss,

By design there you were, six weeks after conception, lacking of TDF within the Y chromosome, whereby your sex glands directed feminine sex hormones. In time this could be said to be reclaimed or neutralized by the TDF that was fully active in one's lover. Is this seduction in part? To call it passive-seduction-submission is probably most accurate. In the beginning, your sexuality developed in absence or submissive from the TDF. Your acceptance to the posterior dominate trait exhibited by the TDF, is a sublime acknowledgment to whence you came. An orgasm being the fulfillment of that reunion.

PS. This is so hard to do with the eyes tearing up so. lol

Let's get on with this. Once united, the spirit and/or kundalini during time of orgasm is elevated. Here, we are returning to our origins and to our innocence. All of this is likewise for the male, only in reverse. He must learn to entice the submissive nature of the feminine to the dance floor. Most males, as already said, do so by seduction. This of course is playing with fire as she must be sustained in this seduction to get her acceptance, for it remains unearned. It would be far easier to court and to seek acceptance from her directly. Yet, so many are far removed from such innocence and truth on both sides.

thoughts!

Posted 1 year ago #
Starss
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I know the scientific stuff of this having studied such matters at length.
According to science I could have been either gender, but the male determined
what gender I would be. According to science.
I choose to believe a more
intimate path...I, having chosen my parents, decided I would be female. So, I,
directing traffic admitted only the male chromosomes into this egg which would
be I.

Posted 1 year ago #
Starss
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Were you aware that the egg, not having been fertilized yet, chooses which
of its suitors, it will admit??? It blocks the path to all but the one it
wants....and scientists have observed this and can't explain why something so
small knows what it wants.
As far as the kundalini, would that not be more soul stuff than physical??
I suggest this since the kindalini is an energy path, having felt it on several
occasions. The kundalini is not a scientific reality yet, is it?????
Science cannot explain how we think yet, either. Oh yes, they discuss synapses,
and thoughts leaping across from one to another, but they cannot define what a
thought is.
Even more thought provoking, since you love that sort of thing, no one in the
medical field has yet been able to explain how thoughts illuminate the inside
of a dark skull...
Be that as it may, I believe I chose to reincarnate to earth, at this time and
this place. It was an honor to do so ...for there was much to contribute at this
time and place. I knew much of my life before it came to pass. Deja vu. Oh yes,
and there were some surprises as well. A good life should contain a little of both.

Posted 1 year ago #
Starss
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As far as male/female characteristics, I seem to have both. Some are
quiet; some are very active. Under other circumstances I could have been
male. Odd that! You would not have wanted to provoke my wrath when my
children were young by any untoward actions; you would have met a
warrior fiercely protecting her young. I could have killed to protect
them, which came as a great surprise to me. I am a pacifist by nature,
disliking war, disharmony, arguments, and even guns and weapons.
However I digress. Back to the dance. I have seen both sides, been on
both sides...
A thought? I knew a lady who chose the masculine version
of herself. Her mother was a wimp...and her father was
strong and capable, so she projected the masculine of herself.
Such things interest me...the parts that don't fit. The events that don't
follow the course or evade scientific fact. Because in this realm, on this
earth, reality is a piece of fabric with holes in it. I like to peer
through those holes...

Posted 1 year ago #
gatesofgrace
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Starss,

What i wish to share concerns your last post and a partial context for this thread. Having said that the willing female is swept into full submission, at the time that her intimacy is elevated; it was also said that the male, just for a few moments, enters into a contract of trust and authority. Here's something to consider. Part of the dance between male and female is subjected to the female inner being to be subject to her own.

This is a valid point that must be explained.

16 To the woman he said,
"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you." TNIV

(Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.)

Does this not indicate that she will be subject first to her husband, then to her offspring, before all other matters. Consider: Eve took it upon herself to direct measures against the command of God in an unjust manner. In lieu of all that she was permitted to share in paradise... this could not go unheeded or without correction. Nor could the situation with Adam.

But, it was as if God said, Ummm! Eve, this desire of yours, to take over and above that you were permitted to share in. From now on, this desire of yours will be your first challenge. There will be placed an intercession subjected upon your will, such that, this possessive desire... will be cast upon your husband (or your own) first over. To return to the true measure that is yourself, you must first see through this displacement. Then only, can your will be returned as before.

Question? What in the blazes does this mean to the feminine and/or to her libido? First, she holds the authority to be courted by her suitor. Then she will cast upon a roll that empowers her husband over herself. She will be inundated with speculation concerning her husband's desires. She will, when necessary thrust to protect and at times overreact. She will be compelled to regain control, even to seduce when needed. Yet, all of this will push her even father away from herself. Only when she accepts in a manner that is dutiful and aligned with this measure upon her, can she be free from it.

Let me tell you about a sister-in-law that continued to manipulate to regain the will of her inner being. She has practically destroyed herself. She is emancipated, removed from her kids, fell to chronic fatigue, isolated and alone... even as she remains with her husband. Her husband had been co-hearsed and reduced to stealing inheritance from his sister and so on. Both seem pathetic beyond measure. Yet, look carefully and most will see such scenarios in one's lifetime.

Anyway! I like to think that if we could share this stuff, when the time is right, with all children... much could be understood and avoided.

i would like to try to connect all of these measures further, in the hopes that even one person could be kept from this.

Posted 1 year ago #
Starss
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A man must have written that statement. To a man childbirth is extraordinarily painful. To a woman it is a rite of passage....and the moment one holds the child,
all pain fades away... twas worth all the effort and worth undergoing it again.
As for the man....children come first... Given a choice between her husband and
her children, the woman will protect her children first...then her husband.
My husband could take care of himself, my children could not. I told him that.
And I told him why. And he understood. I was never his slave; I was his equal.
And I took care of his children whom he loved.
As far as submitting to my husband, I, too, have wants and desires. He submitted
as well and it was a very mutual (and satisfying) relationship.
Words told me how I was supposed to be; my feelings told me how I did feel. My
feelings have more validity than any words in a book. To tell me how to feel, is
to accept the belief that I am your slave.. I am no one's slave. Please understand
that the words you write are from a book written over 2,000 years ago before a
female had a voice of her own, had thoughts of her own, or was even considered
a person...times have changed Gates...

Posted 1 year ago #
shin
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I am concerned about how this discussion has supported tradition.

"Having said that the willing female is swept into full submission, at the time that her intimacy is elevated; it was also said that the male, just for a few moments, enters into a contract of trust and authority."

This looks to me so one-sided and so contrary to the Chinese idea that when Yin has become fully Yin it turns into Yang, and vice versa. The idea presented in the quoted text gives me the impression that somewhere we got stuck somehow.

Posted 1 year ago #
gatesofgrace
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Shin,

Thanks for the look!

"If Yang is overly powerful, then Yin may be too weak. If Yin is particularly strong, then Yang is apt to be defective. If the male force is overwhelming, then there will be excessive heat. If the female force is overwhelming, then there will be excessive cold. Exposure to repeated and severe heat will induce chills. Cold injures the body while heat injures the spirit. When the spirit is hurt, severe pain will ensue. When the body is hurt, there will be swelling. Thus, when severe pain occurs first and swelling comes on later, one may infer that a disharmony in the spirit has done harm to the body. Likewise, when swelling appears first and severe pain is felt later on, one can say that a dysfunction in the body has injured the spirit....

shin,

The above, i feel, is consistent with my original post. The female (beloved) arrives and she promotes or rejects courtship. The male (lover) in pursuit of this, offers his acceptance to continue and the romance begins. She enters into the romance, all the while controlling the depth of intimacy. He agrees to finalize the terms with his full armament of offerings, if/as she accepts... she yet controls the time and place. When all has been agreed upon, she passes the key of her intimacy to her "lover". He for these moments only... brings her to fulfillment. When both have been satisfied, the key once again returns to the protection of her bosom, and they both return to the dance floor.

Now how romantic is that! LOL

Posted 1 year ago #
gatesofgrace
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Starss,

This one is not suggesting that the maternal aspects of any Mother should be challenged by the standings of the Father. Do you think one would infer this? It was said that the female will be subject to her own. First to the husband, second to her children. It is this one's belief, that should there be no husband there should be no children. Not to say that if one is widowed from the first, all should be given up. Of course not. But as shin has outlined, as yin and yang are requirements to get things moving, a balance in these, usually brings the best results.

In the same way, all such testimony that comes from same sex parenting would scream that they hold true to love, for their children. Any single parent and guardian worth their salt would say/do so as well. Opposed to the normal parameters of society, those that are challenged or living on the fringe bond rather closely. I have offered elseware that the maternal kinship of same sex couples toward their extended family and friends is a model for most heterosexuals to consider. This parenting and outreach however, should not be confused with what goes on between a lover and his beloved.

Starss wrote:

To tell me how to feel, is to accept the belief that I am your slave.. I am no one's slave.

This i do not understand! Sorry! Where was this implied?

Starss wrote:

Please understand that the words you write are from a book written over 2,000 years ago before a female had a voice of her own, had thoughts of her own, or was even considered a person.

By definition, if one (any man) believed as you outline here, they would not be considered as a lover. As you clearly say, that relationship would be no dance, nor would their be any true romance in it.

Are you truly saying 2000 yrs. ago their was no true romance, nor any beloved and/or lover as was outlined in the original post? Are you saying that Adam did not love Eve; or are you saying that such things are rare enough? For that is the point of the post.

Posted 1 year ago #
shin
Member

"When all has been agreed upon, she passes the key of her intimacy to her "lover". He for these moments only... "

Passages like this just evoke protest and anger in me.
Where is no balance in this, the give and and not just the take?

Posted 1 year ago #
gatesofgrace
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shin,

That is surprising, really!

What if one tries not to isolate that moment alone, and opens up to all that led up within the dance of courtship. Much had been gained/given up to get to the intimacy of the moment. He has offered and shared all he could and only with her approval will it go any further. Now when the key is returned to her bosom, he the lover does not regain the key by his former merit alone. His place is to earn by righteous behavior and duty to return to her bedside and to be invited with the sanctity of her blessings.

There is a wisdom that says that the beloved has control at all times. Her duty is to entice her lover into thinking otherwise.

Starss speaks of times where broken men treated their partners as nothing more than slaves, to satisfy the earnings of his belly and bed. Such things remain throughout the world in every road that is traveled. Some of this generation shows signs of insight regarding this, but with most not much has been gained.

Is this not the point of the post?

Posted 1 year ago #
Starss
Member

Shin: have you been dancing lately???

Posted 1 year ago #
abstractprophet
Member

shin,

Have you considered that it is your attachment to the implications of what is being stated that is infact what is supported by tradition?

Another way to read what gates is saying is the total surrender of both parties is required for a truer connection and it is in fact the female who leads the male to the door. So it is infact the female who holds the power.

Another way is that this is just natures dance with neither party having a say in the dance.

I don't know.

Posted 1 year ago #
Mary
Member

I didn't catch where to feel offended , yet because this has been a sensitive area in my life, I tried to be open to it.

We learn the most about ourselves by what offends us. So when I'm offended I look inside myself to see why.

I noticed it was important for me to discuss this topic without reference to gender . I used the word person in reference to sexuality. I think I blocked out what would have been offensive by doing that, in retrospect.

gender equality in all ways is an issue for me. Therefore give and take is 50/50 equal. I'm going to read up about yin and yang for the first time . Good night all !

Posted 1 year ago #
gatesofgrace
Member

Mary,

Yes! Understood! Thanks for looking in non-the-less. When wifee and i got married i too supported the 50/50 equality theme. What was found was that we were in error. What we were saying was 100/100. That is to say if you really want to bond giving me total autonomy 100% of me must be foremost before the other. In true relationship this will not last with both parties holding on to this.

However, should both be given up so that the other stands always before the self... only in that way... sort of in a back door effort, whereby the self places the other first... 100% of the other is to be considered. Then in reverse 100% toward the first. In this way "i am" because you my beloved/lover support me so. In this way only i am to be considered.

Something like that! Anyone else wish to add? Please do!

Posted 1 year ago #
BroDan
Member

Nope, no chance of adding to that.

One thing I do feel is that I feel that one should always give ones self just over 50% of love to ones self and just under 50% of love to one's beloved, I feel this because one needs to be in a strong place to be be able to love another.

The Female Libido on the other hand is something I am very, very careful of accepting offers from, it's far to precious to be messed with, I personally will only let 'the' one take me, she is still to appear.

xx

Posted 1 year ago #
Starss
Member

My parents in law shared more than their 60th anniversary together.
They told me they each gave 100 per cent. Sometimes he was giving 100%
and sometimes it was she who gave 100% ...but they both gave
it their utmost. They had tough times. They had four children, both were
working, went through the depression, dozens of political changes, cancer,
heart problems, ulcers and gosh knows what else together. Both died in
their 80's and now are together... there was a lot of forgiving, forgetting,
kind and loving sacrifices to friends, neighbors, and their church.

Posted 1 year ago #
abstractprophet
Member

When the two dance so they become not even one it is neither the man or woman who is stearing the ship.

So who is it?

Posted 1 year ago #
gatesofgrace
Member

ap,

This one likes to think such relations as the will of God manifested. There's more to be understood here... we need to look only deeper into this. The feminine being as much a part of me as the masculine. She the (feminine) for me being a guy, is perpetually dancing (or searching) for me with every turn. Even as i am fully satisfied, she calls to me always. The foundation of this being that if a ignore her, turn away from her, one is left unfulfilled.

ap, It is in the abstract above that i speak. She being the manifestation of the feminine... is so much more than a women, or flower... it is in part, as shin offers, for one to be fixated on the women only... is incomplete. Yet, at the same time by sharing with her one sees deeper into the pageantry that is the "All".

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pyi-mVBACw
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Posted 1 year ago #
abstractprophet
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gates,

I understand what your saying and must ask what happens when the two become one?

One thought that this thread has also inspired is that of the virgin birth.

BTW, When did you start wearing stilhettos? lol

Posted 1 year ago #
Starss
Member

My experience as a woman is this. A great love affair shared, for me, had the
reaction of my being able to become at one with the Creator. It is the most connected
I felt to all things. Perhaps that is the greater purpose of some relationships.

Posted 1 year ago #
gatesofgrace
Member

Starss,

This one is starting to believe that the female libido is the driving force in tantra: The concept that everything is connected, expanding and interwoven. It is the metaphor of the universe being in each of us and, in turn, each of us being in the smallest particle. Everything is Everything. Only we must look and realize her expression in everything we do. In which case, as we do more we share more with her, and we are reminded of the unity and divine presence when we do these things with spirit and excellence.

Yes! Starss, how sublimely beautiful is that. Isn't that her very nature, always present but requiring her to be coaxed into one's reality.

PS. ap,

Thinking your question is being revealed with this post. Great question by the way!

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