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Unity, Harmony, Diversity

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  1. shin
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    shin

    The 3 treasures

    Dao gives birth to the boundless, eternal One.
    The Two emerges creatively from the One.
    The Three arise dynamically from the Two.
    The Three gives birth to all beings and things.
    [Lao Zi, Dao De Jing, #42]

    Looking at above, what I am wondering is whether the normal enlightenment experience which quite a few people claim to have had is the experience of the One or of Dao? According to this text they are not the same at all. Is it possible to go beyond the One.

    My source refers to the practice of Guarding the One.

    "Multitudes of Dragons and Tigers guard the One.
    The One is eternally secure.
    Spontaneous, the One never ceases.
    Preserve the One, guard truth .. and you comminucate with the whole Universe.
    The One is not hasr to know, .. the difficulty is persistence.
    Gurad the One with no distraction and you are eternally vital."
    [Master Ge Hong, The book of the master who embraces simplicity, 4th c. BCE]

    "While eating or drinking attend to the One! When happy, attend to the One! When anguished, attend to the One! When sick, attend to the One! When passing through water or fire, always attend to the One! Especially when agitated, attend to the One!"

    Is this level of attainment the best we can ever hope for?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. gatesofgrace
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    gatesofgrace

    shin,

    You are ancient knowledge shared in the present. Nice!

    The knowledge that realizes the One, does not take away from all lesser knowledges, but as they remain... they are no longer... as distractions. In this panacea the acceptance of all things is awe inspiring, giving rise to the All. Born to creation, could one imagine a time whereby all manner of things have been sorted out? Levels of attainment beyond this who could fathom? In a thousand lifetimes one could live enlightened and never live as he did before... in day to day activity/non-activity.

    Let's carry on shall we!

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  3. abstractprophet

    shin,

    Great post. What/Who is the one? It is indeed a simplification of what is to attest it all to the One. Yet as you suggest there is that which is beyond the One, that which is beyond all words and conceptualisations. So no I do not think it is impossible to go beyond the One, just impossible to describe, which goes a long way in explaining why attempts to do so coin phrases like nothing and empty. Yet it is neither nothing or empty, nor is it the Great Integrity, yet it is integral.

    I am personally curious as to wether or not there is anything beyond That? And wether or not that is as far as one can go?

    What are some other thoughts?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. shin
    Member

    shin

    Sorry, a spell checker or proofreading would help. Here is the correction for the 2 lines mangled into incomprehensibilty.

    "Preserve the One, guard truth .. and you communicate with the whole Universe.
    The One is not hard to know, .. the difficulty is persistence."

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. shin
    Member

    shin

    IMO, the God of most is the equivalent to the One. I consider it to be a halfway house at best. One of the failings of most religions is to portray the stage of reaching the One as the ultimate. Maybe that is why in Buddhism we have references to enlightenment and then also to full and complete enlightenment.

    Is there anything beyond the That (Dao)? No, if we work on a linear model. Yes, if we work on a circular model. I can envision the bare outlines of a Dao that folds back into the material world in a immediate and direct manner, in a way completing what could possibly be called the "meta-cosmic orbit".

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. abstractprophet

    Persistence is the difficulty, yes. lol

    Although I can see what your saying I think you will find that pretty much all religons speak of that which is beyond the One, non exclusively. From my limited readings that is very much the source of the One.

    I do agree that the circular model is significantly more revealing than a linear model.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. YetAnotherSeeker
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    YetAnotherSeeker

    "I am personally curious as to wether or not there is anything beyond That? And wether or not that is as far as one can go?"

    How can there be anything beyond All?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. gatesofgrace
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    gatesofgrace

    Mark MCcloskey has taken the insights shared by the Masters focusing on what is within. He calls it pure silence. His references the context uttered by these Masters as pointing to this silence. He describes religion that arises from these Masters, as those whom do not follow the insights and the message, rather they follow the messenger.

    This one believes as much. God and Devil here... become the "expression" of SELF in separation. The pinnacle being fear that is sustained and keeps one from returning to this pure silence... and to innocence.

    The pointing in my posts regarding belief in the devil... as much again a reflection of that expression that separates or divides our wills and thoughts from returning to this source. Sure seems profound to me... that i couldn't have said this before.

    shin, ap, YAS,

    In this context, there is no-thing beyond or outside of this. The Oneness of Pure Silence being the only truth.

    Thoughts!

    http://www.puresilence.org/
    Pure Silence

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. shin
    Member

    shin

    "How can there be anything beyond All?"

    There is always nothing, Nothing, no-thing, to look forward to.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. shin
    Member

    shin

    The website referred says:
    "This site is arising, growing and evolving; someday it will not be. This is the way everything is in reality- all forms, all matter, all energy, all thought arises, grows and then seems to disappear."

    What should we listen to?
    The silence in all forms, all matter, all energy, all thoughts? Is this silence not bound up with all forms, all matter, all energy, all thoughts?

    Should we listen to what is? Or should we maybe listen to what is not?

    Is there in fact a difference between listening to all forms, all matter, all energy, all thoughts and listening to the silence, or the (non-)silence beyond?
    if there is, then how can giving attention to all details of our life, the forms, the matter, the energy, the thoughts, lead to enlightenment as it is claimed?

    Maybe the important thing is not so much what we are listening to, but the way we listen?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. no-1-awakens
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    no-1-awakens

    Hello All.

    Just a quick drive by.

    lol.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. Starss

    Hello no-1...all.....
    There is a thought...it arose out of seeming nowhere....growing...becoming
    useful...penetrating all forms through which it passes...attracted to one who
    is using that energy of that thought...attracted to another who weaves that
    thought into another reality...attracted to someone who changes a subtle cast
    on the shade of a painting...a note on a scale...or a series of notes...that
    same thought passing through another individual who initiates changes in an
    architectural drawing... Sometimes that same thought passes through the
    mind of a dreamer who gives rise to a multi-levelled dream sequence... You
    may pretend to ignore the thought, may attempt not to respond, but the thought
    came from the source of all being....
    All receive the same thought, all receive with individuality according to
    what they need...want,..desire...have...and their level of understanding.
    One single thought rides on energy waves of the being who sent it...and if
    this is Creator, this super multi levelled thought penetrates and affect all
    through which it passes (including "empty" space), dimensions of time, space,
    and all levels of diversity in existence.
    Thus soon after, a conversation arises in which several say "I was thinking
    the same thing!"

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. abstractprophet

    yas,

    How can we truthfully comprehend what All is?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. abstractprophet

    gates,

    To penetrate the ever present sounds of life to its very core of silence is surely refreshing indeed.

    What can be said of silence? lol

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. abstractprophet

    "There is always nothing, Nothing, no-thing, to look forward to."

    Or so the monkey mind chatters. What is this thought based on and what makes it different to any other?

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  16. abstractprophet

    gday no-1. :o)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. abstractprophet

    hi starrs,

    What is the average life span of a thought? :o)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. Starss

    Abs: Forever, always changing, growing, turning, spinning, changing again, like shades
    of color changing, or change of sounds....so too, a thought, because everytime you
    think a thought you infuse it with more energy with your own spin....

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. shin
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    shin

    "There is always nothing, Nothing, no-thing, to look forward to."

    "Or so the monkey mind chatters. What is this thought based on and what makes it different to any other? "

    This thought is based on nothing, Nothing or no-thing, it makes no difference to any other.

    Where does one thought end and another begin? Are your thoughts really yours? (echoing Starss)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. abstractprophet

    starrs,

    Sure Thought itself may appear to be without end. Yet do you think the impermanance of the spin in this moment, and the attachment to that spin, can often be problematic?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  21. abstractprophet

    shin,

    Does any thought really not make a difference? Do not all thoughts have an effect?

    "Where does one thought end and another begin? Are your thoughts really yours?"

    I do not believe so, but if I am completely honest with myself I can not say that thoughts have a begining or an end as I can not claim that they do not.

    As for them being mine, I do not believe them to be so also. Yet it is I who experiences them. What does that say?

    btw, I enjoyed this;

    "This thought is based on nothing, Nothing or no-thing, it makes no difference to any other."

    lol

    Posted 1 year ago #
  22. gatesofgrace
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    gatesofgrace

    In the calmest most assuredness that could resonate... consider all that you perceive of me (gates of grace)... and then link me somehow with this offering from the pure silence site... i find it fascinating to see... how accepting I am of this... WOW!

    Interesting note here! This one had left "all" shores of any one look... (religion) so long ago. Thinking... that the religion was as a form of binding. Funny amidst all of that... i was considered to be bound to religion and scripture as i shared my travels (path) with each of you. Mostly however, i was freer with every twist and turn that was ventured. With few places left to turn... i find this link most appealing. Thoughts!

    http://www.puresilence.org/leaving_the_shores_of_belief.htm
    Leaving the Shores of Belief

    Posted 1 year ago #
  23. gatesofgrace
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    gatesofgrace

    Seems quite enough!

    ARE you there? Thank you for the quietness of YOU inner peace. ONE of those WHO in pure silence WITNESS? Imagine AN EVENT... a chaos surrounding you beyond all imagined chaos. Yet, FOR THOSE who have withdrawn or retreated from All known measures... ignoring fear itself... are GATHERED in that silence. So few, amongst the many, as it appears, will realize this silence. This one feels, that only "in" this pure silence... will one find refuge... an escort TOWARD one's SALVATION... amidst all that is to come.

    Blessings!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  24. shin
    Member

    shin

    No big arguments with what is written but isn't the following somewhat contradictory:

    "To realize Pure Silence now, you must abandon all thoughts for this second, even the beliefs that you have cherished forever.
    ...
    Just for one second, really admit the truth that you know absolutely nothing, that you are absolutely nothing.
    ...
    You are that which is eternal, infinite and love itself."

    The purpose of this post is not to start an argument but only to show how easy and quickly we fall back into our habitual thinking, as shown by the last sentence. Why was it put there? We seem to be afraid to be nothing.

    The very thought of us being nothing, the very thought of no-thought, strikes fear in our minds.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  25. abstractprophet

    "The very thought of us being nothing, the very thought of no-thought, strikes fear in our minds."

    Does it? Who is suggesting this?

    Personally I see that there is no thing sperating the silent from the noise, the no-thing from the some-thing.

    What is focus, or falling back into whatever, really?

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  26. abstractprophet

    Had a little look at the page grace and it was enjoyable enough.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  27. abstractprophet

    If I was to look at a page without a picture or words what would I be experiencing?

    If I was to look at the same page now with a picture or some words what would I be experiencing?

    Should I focus on the page itself or the words & picture?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  28. shin
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    shin

    Why keep the questions rhetorical? We can EASILY experience both conditions, can't we?

    However, the real question is, what would I experience when looking at NO page?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  29. abstractprophet

    LOL

    NO page?

    What when one has found NO page though? Does every-thing suddenly dissapear?

    I am most appreciative and thankful for the prompts btw. :o)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  30. gatesofgrace
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    gatesofgrace

    shin,

    Considering the contradiction. Before the second of realization... as the last attribute is fully given up, the infinite-eternal-love has not been fully realized. The second after this realization where acceptance has been fully consummated the statement holds true.

    "You are that which is eternal, infinite and love itself."

    Let me add that over the years i have termed "acceptance" as my understanding of peeling off layers of inconsistency, leading toward what i would have dubbed "truth". Mark offers pure silence. Both insights peeling off layers upon layers as the un-partitioning of one's self... toward letting go... of all that is. Others have offered that when all that IS, is no more... what remains is what IS. Same idea!

    The quandary of scripture is that the pointing is infinite... without end. Lifetimes have been spent pulling this way then that. NO EXCEPTION HERE! The pointing brings one to the precipice that they just can't do it... or get it. When one is ready they will fully let go. In the silence that follows... nothing is heard as before. Amongst the day to day hustle and bustle... an over shadowing silence can be returned too with each moment. Some would say as Truth, others as what IS... and then others as Pure Silence.

    Pirates of the Caribbean

    Will : [sharpening his sword] When I was a lad living in England, my mother raised me by herself. After she died, I came out here, looking for my father.

    Jack : Is that so?

    Will: My father, Will Turner . At the jail, it was only after you learned my name that you agreed to help. Since that?s what I wanted, I didn?t press the matter. I?m not a simpleton, Jack. You knew my father.

    Jack : I knew ?im. Probably one the few who knew him as William Turner . Everyone else just called him Bootstrap or Bootstrap Bill.

    Will: Bootstrap?

    Jack : Good man. Good pirate. I swear you look just like him.

    Will : It?s not true. He was a merchant sailor. A good, respectable man who obeyed the law.

    Jack : He was a bloody pirate, a scallywag.

    Will : My father was not a pirate. [takes out his sword]

    Jack : Put it away, son. It?s not worth you getting beat again.

    Will : You didn?t beat me. you ignored the rules of engagement. In a fair fight, I?d killed you.

    Jack : Then that's not much incentive for me to fight fair, then, is it? [moves one of the sails so that the yard catches Will and swings him out over the sea] Now, as long as you?re just hanging there, pay attention. The only rules that really matter are these ? what a man can do and what a man can?t do. For instance, you can accept that your father was a pirate and a good man or you can?t. But pirate is in your blood, boy, so you?ll have to square with that someday. Now, me, for example, I can let you drown but I can?t bring this ship into Tortuga all by me onesy, savvy? So? [swings him back on board and offers him his sword] can you sail under the command of a pirate? Or can you not?

    An infinite script perhaps!

    Savvy!

    Blessings!

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