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Soul Love or Conditioning Love? Is there your Twin Soul out there !??

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  1. BroDan
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    BroDan

    Hello Super Thinkers,

    Hi Chip, Infinity Rose, Self Seeker, Starzz, GrimNexus and all you guys that frequent this site, thanks to all you guys I have come along, long way. Yes I know it's me that's pieced the parts together but you have all had a serious influence on me.

    These past few days have been incredible for me, I've seem to have experienced a walk in, this is as I'm learning where your bodies old soul leaves and new one replaces it. Then all the retentive memory held in the bodies brain that makes up all memory and personality trait is taken over by the new soul to pick up where the last one left off while working from that body, I feel very different ever since as the realisation of this as it has made me aware of when I speak from my higher self or from my in built ego made up from my conditionings, then again, you can never be sure or limit your self with beliefs !

    But I have also seemed to have mastered the amazing, mind blowing state of 'Love' at last !!!

    At the moment I've moved back in to the opposing state, that of fear so I feel a mild form of anxiety but I know I'll return back to that euphoric state again once I resettle.

    The thing I'm most wanting to understand or study is about 'soul mates' or 'twin souls'. Though I know the idea is to feel complete on ones own there's always that part of you when single that dreams to find love again. (It's been a long time that I've been locked in ego relationships and 7 months healing to arrive where I am now and happy single!)

    A few others I've been speaking to belief that out there is our 'twin soul' but I'm starting to believe other wise. I've learned that for two people to connect that they need to be roughly at the same stage on the path to Enlightment so that they have things to teach each other and inspire each other.
    I feel that this is down to how much of our belief system or conditioning we have cleared our selves of that leaves us at that stage to Enlightment that we are at regardless of where we are along the path. This in turn has nothing to do with our souls, our souls are pure, it's the thought that forms 'us'. Correct me if I'm wrong please !?

    So I now believe that there is no such thing as 'the one' or 'twin soul' out there, that we simply fall in love with some one else because we connect with each other on sharing the same conditionings and fears, not because our souls match, what do you think about this guys?

    Do any of you enlightened guys think your in a relationship with your twin soul?

    If so, are you at different stages of the path to enlightenment or is one of you far behind, being more clouded than the other !?

    (I tried keeping up with your 'Do thoughts make love to each other' thread but couldn't keep up, even so, some amazing posts I read there.

    I'm really interested to hear your views on this as I know all of you are seriously switched on.

    Great to see you guys keeping this place alive for the odd lost soul like me.

    Big hug.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. BroDan
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    BroDan

    Please guys, I didn't think I'd have to recoil to a point at which I hit so low to ask again . . .

    Please guys, your the only people on earth I have now to ground me, no one else I know understands what we do.

    Please speak to me.

    Dan

    xx

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. selfseeker
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    selfseeker

    [quote]So I now believe that there is no such thing as 'the one' or 'twin soul' out there, that we simply fall in love with some one else because we connect with each other on sharing the same conditionings and fears, not because our souls match, what do you think about this guys?[/quote]

    Dear Dan,

    You are absolutely right !

    The people who significantly affect your life just don't come to you by chance, as you have rightly pointed out. We attract people (& the environment) whose spiritual vibration match ours. Slowly you start attracting people with higher spiritual vibrations as you climb the ladder of spirituality.

    The words, "soul-mate", perfect love ( not really love but physical attraction) are meaningless words in true sense. These words have been coined by emotionally weak people (like writers & poets) who prefer to live in a self-created world than in the real world & it has been strongly promoted by business houses who are able to make billions by promoting to such nonsensical theories & in the process are able to sell their movies, novels & songs based on such theories to people who are emotionally weak. This is like feeding heroine to a drug addict or a psychologically weak person ... the poor fellow starts living in an imaginary world & cuts himself off from reality.

    You yourself are your soul-mate .... complete in all aspect. Realise this "Completeness" within you. Love everyone who comes your way ... not because you need their love .... because "love" is the most beautiful expression of God .... because that is the only way. However, this love doesn't demand anything ... it is without desires ( for physical, sexual or emotional needs) ... it is a beautiful feeling.

    OM

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. BroDan
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    BroDan

    Hi Selfseeker, sorry I didn't reply earlier, to be honest I've just been thinking about so many things and still seem to geon through never ending release. But yes, thanks loads Selfseeker.

    Well here's a post from some one of facebook that totally contradicts what you write for me above:

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    There is much information, articles, and videos on this topic. During the course of my teachings, writings, education, counseling experiences, this one topic and concept comes up repeatedly. I am asked about this over and over and over again by many different people around the globe. There will be a section on this in my book, but I have also decided to write a short piece about this now to share this now.

    How many of you do you know who are seeking their Soul-Mate, Twin-Flame? Do you also fit into this category? There is SO much hype about this everywhere. We are taught to find, seek, dream, wish for, invent etc, this type of relationship. We pay psychics and the likes to try to find this for ourselves or to seek the truths regarding this. We seek manifestation techniques to try to attract this to ourselves. Why is it that we do this, rather than just appreciating what we have, and the relationships that we have? Can we not be satisfied with being alone even outside of an intimate relationship with another?

    YES this is truthful, there are the “Twin-Flames” and the “Soul-Mate” types of relationships. Your twin soul or flame is your mirror image - when you were pure energy, you both made up the polarities of the same essence. Male-Female, Masculine-Feminine energy, yin/yang. You were of the same energy until one of you incarnated, manifested into the physical and you were split apart and separated from one another. It makes sense that we long to reunite. When you were born into and came into this earthly plane, they may not have. Without them, at least for many of us, it feels like something is missing, there is an emptiness or what may feel like such, an incompleteness, a yearning for the lost twin because we can not be whole until we merge or unite with them. With them there is unconditional love, understanding, passion, a natural ecstasy, a beauty to be shared like no other, an instant preordained and created harmony and equality. For the record, it is more probable than not, that they are not physically manifested at the same time you are and it may not be possible to find him or her in this life time. If you are waiting to find him or her, you may be waiting a number of lifetimes. They may not be here and did not incarnate at the same time as you did. You are still together and always will be, as you were dually created, whether they be here with you or not in this lifetime they ARE with you always. Helping and assisting you along your path in this lifetime. We take turns incarnating and learning and growing with that which we all need to do. It is often times more significant and beneficial for the other to help from “Home” than to be here together. They ARE a part of YOU and visa versa. Never fear that they are not with you, or that you will never find them. They are with you now and always regardless.

    The energetic and vibrational frequencies that we are and put out daily does bring to us the equal matches of such. Male and female form. If we are joyous and finding peace and love within and sharing that with that which comes into our own spheres the equal matches of this is drawn to us and comes to us like a magnet. Have you ever noticed that on a down and negative day when we are not having such positive thoughts and such, that all of a sudden someone very unpleasant comes within your reach? Oppositely, when we put out the other side of such, we attract those who are most loving, caring, giving and sharing. We really do get back what we put out, and our immediate surroundings are a mirror to who WE are and putting out at that time. This is the best indicator to us when we need to make changes in our own lives, behaviors and thought processes.

    On Soul-Mate relationships, many think and feel that a soul-mate relationship is a perfect relationship in which there are never any difficulties or challenges, the “Perfect Bliss.” Many become frustrated and let down because they have not been able to find a relationship such as this. A Soul-Mate can offer us problems and complications, just as we do the same for them. We are to “Aide” in one another’s growth process. A soul-mate is someone with whom you can work through life's challenges and difficulties, even when that person may appear to be the source of them. In other words, a soul-mate is an individual who often reflects or lets us encounter our own strengths and weaknesses, they can bring out the best in us, but also the worst, and bring to our attention that which we may need to improve and expand upon for our own betterment.

    Soul-Mates come into our lives for a reason. We are put into each others experience to teach one another and to work through what is needed through our experiences together. Once this is completed it just may be that the relationship comes to a preordained end because what was needed has now been completed. There are many different levels to Soul-Mate relationships. There can be those that are very close to that of our “Twin” and it may be an incredible passionate, harmonious, peaceful and glorious relationship. Some Soul-Mates are farther removed, more distant and may be in your life for shorter periods of time or may not be people you become deeply involved with. It could even be someone who you are in constant conflict with and do not even like. All of these are important and put within our paths for a reason. You will know one another by a familiarity, what you see within the others eyes, an instant bond and connection, there is no mistake here, just as everything happens for a reason. These are souls, Kindred-Souls that we know and have experienced and shared with in lifetimes before. Some could have been our brother, sister, mother, father, lover, friend, husband and wife. Souls always know one another. There can be a number of soul-mate relationships that can bring you great joy and passion and much happiness, while again, some are meant to teach us and assist us to grow to our maximum potential. Let’s also not forget that is it common to be able to form a “New” Soul-Mate relationship. We all have many Soul-Mates from past lives, and at one time or another, we formed a bond with these and have gathered many along the way throughout our lifetimes, this lifetime to can also bring us a joyful brand new one. I personally have met many in this lifetime, both male and female.

    Typically, at least in spiritual theory, it is only after you have spiritually reached the highest level and have completed all the earthly lessons for the highest elevation, and may choose not to come back into physical again because you have learned everything you set out to learn in this plane, that you and your “Twin Flame” find one another. The two have a massive divine purpose in service of God. This is, as with all things is in God Hands, not ours. We all have reasons that we are here and many things to experience and sometimes, we have to go through difficult learning experiences without the safety of our other half, our equal, at least temporarily until we have gone though our issues and learned what we set out to learn. If they were always with us, we would not be able to complete that which is needed and would not be able to push through all that is placed before us for us to learn and grow. There would be no reason to, as with them we have already found our “Bliss.” It is the hardness, and difficulties in life that teach us many things, tenacity, compassion, grace, love, patience, tolerance, joy, appreciation, gratitude, strength etc. Joy does not teach us this. We cannot learn to be grateful and what joy truly is until we know and realize what it is not.

    When we can come to the place of our own cores and center, our very own magical, divine, and mystic place, many and all other things in life become irrelevant. They just are, as life and the universe is constantly moving around us. Giving Self-Love and recognizing our own beauty within, brings the most joy, pleasure, and happiness of all, laced with an over abundance of peace. When we love ourselves, it is almost impossible to ever feel the hurts of the world. With this new growth and understanding, comes the greatest blessing of all. From hence, our world around us changes, we see, view and feel things differently. We can forgive immediately or fail to see a problem at all. Many of the Un-pleasants and Negatives of the world cease to exist. This IS possible for one and all. It IS a gift, and belongs to YOU and ME. Rather than constantly “Seek” go within, ALL that you need awaits your joyful acknowledgement. The most beautiful treasure is YOUR heart and soul, your own essence, YOU complete yourself, no other can. The rest will come on its own accord in whatever way it is meant to come. Let’s give thanks for all the relationships that we have, each one is a gift, we must also be thankful for the thorns, not only the roses. The “Thorns” drive us to excel far beyond our wildest dreams and expectations. Live for today and each new day, allow what comes in the natural flow, and flow “With” the current rather than against it. Acceptance is the key. Embrace and love each and every little thing about firstly YOU, then all and everything else. What is meant to be shall be, there is a much bigger than you and I conducting and sending what is needed whether we can see or feel this or not.

    “Love itself is what is left over when being in love has burned away, and this is both an art and a fortunate accident.”

    I LOVE YOU…Each and every precious one of you…To BE is to LOVE.

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    What do you think guys?

    Presonally, I'm really split between both poles now.

    Still conviced there is your 'twin flame' out there or not ?

    Thanks for being here guys, weather you post or not.

    Dan
    x

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. starzz
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    starzz

    BroDan...
    If I am in love with you completely, I feel your pain, I feel your stomach growl, your upsetness when something isn't right. My mind, my emotions, my beingness is tuned
    into you like a radio station and expands around you...and to the best of my
    ability there is no part of you that wants of me, anything because I have provided
    that for you. In my dreams, I share those of yours. You are faultless in your totality; all things are forgiven, shared and loved.
    In my mind you are man god, and to this, a reflection of perfection, have I tuned
    and serve and become what you require of me. To a lesser extent I have me which I am
    willing to either promote or demote depending on circumstances.
    I am not twin flame; I am woman.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. BroDan
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    BroDan

    Hey Starzz !

    Such a beautiful post, truly inspiring, thank you.

    Can I just ask, so why can't 'any' woman seem to do all this for me and I for them in return?

    Why do I feel it takes a woman who is as similar to me and have an ability to give in return to me as me her?

    Also, though I have mastered a state of love where I often find my self living and walking in the light of divinity where everything is soft, warm and perfect I still have this heart ache over not having some one close to share all I have to give to, what is in me that you feel I need to look at to manage to let go of this heart ache?

    Thanks for posting Starzz.

    Dan
    xxxxxx

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. starzz
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    starzz

    That is the kind of love you are seeking Bro. It doesn't happen with a one
    night stand but with a friendship that deepens. It might take years to get to
    that level, but if the two of you are willing to work together, it can happen.
    You are looking for an empath, someone who's been hurt and knows how to feel
    pain and how to lessen pain in the self and another, you are looking for a
    person who is shy perhaps, unsure of what she can do or be, and only after she
    finds safety in your love can she open up and bloom for you. You are looking
    for a mature woman who trusts you and isn't afraid of you and your depth of emotions. This woman is not likely to be beautiful... not many beautiful women seek to develop
    beyond the exterior ....simply because someone is always there to supply them
    with whatever they need...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. starzz
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    starzz

    Perhaps something to keep in mind....every experience you have had up to
    today gave you an idea of who and what you were looking for...and so, not one
    experience was a waste of time.
    I am reminded of the young man's prayer. "Dear God, give me patience and
    GIVE IT TO ME NOW!!!!!!"
    I have been in dating mode for a year or so now..and felt I had found the
    perfect possibility...I had set my feelings out there, what I required, and what
    my needs were...and just a couple of days ago, this man deliberately trampled 3 of
    my rules and laughed about it. He is no longer in contention and doesn't
    know it yet. I might be sad for awhile, but better now then after a relationship
    develops and he tramples my feelings. He doesn't love me enough to respect me so
    I can't continue a relationship... If any person does that, tis not the mate one is
    looking for. I could not open up to another who did not respect me and earn
    my trust. How could I establish a deep open love for another whom I could not
    trust???? Truth is, I could not.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. selfseeker
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    selfseeker

    Dear Dan,

    You will always believe what you want to believe & you will always find someone having stated things supporting that.

    There is nothing which is just made for you ... though no one stops you to believe in that theory. That is a sure way to remain always hungry & dissatisfied wasting one's life in search of that "thing".

    The thing which you are looking for is the divinity (cut off from your source) which you have forgotten. Unless you get it back, you will always be dissatisfied looking for something special ... something just made for you.

    WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF ILLUSIONS !

    Love ...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. starzz
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    starzz

    And self seeker has also a valid point....

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. selfseeker
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    selfseeker

    Dear Starzz,

    I support your views that such a relationship develops with time. That is a very important point. No one is there ready made available for you right from God's factory. Yes, a very good & understanding relationship can be built with patience & trust & non-demanding love. Such a relationship can be built with any person who is true at heart ... just give the new relation a time ... both the partners must have desire to build such a relationship. Though permitted under the laws, Hindus rarely resort to divorce as it is not originally in their culture. Initially, the relationship may go through lots of fights but slowly it develops into a beautiful trustworthy relationship. Both become almost alter-ego of each other in most of the cases. You will be surprised to note that this happens even when man & woman have completely divergent views on many issues.

    With love ...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. BroDan
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    BroDan

    Ah brilliant, thanks Selfseeker and Starzz.

    The thing I've learned is that there's nothing one can do about the way one feels, I mean yes, one can be as disciplined as one can to recognise one's habits which as we know is the development of self awareness but as I've also learned the way to enlightenment in best achieved when being as gentle and loving on our selves as possible.

    As Osho says in his books, that which we put on pressure on our selves for merely becomes amplified so all I can be aware of is that I sense this urge or yearning sensation to find love for another but that's all I can and let the fact go.

    I see what you mean Selfseekeer that unless released, the state of 'want' will hound me and I'll never be satisfied, rather I'd be looking and searching for what ever that next 'thing' is I feel will satisfy me.

    So what can be done Selfseeker?

    How do I let go of 'want'?

    Thanks for taking the time guys,

    Dan
    x

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. starzz
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    starzz

    How can I let go of want?

    If you bang your head against a wall long enough, maybe you will
    choose to stop..
    I can't determine when you will choose another path.
    Or if? Or why?
    I can only tell you that if you keep doing what you are doing,
    expecting a different result, you are fooling yourself.
    After a long period of going in circles without result,
    it is natural to change direction because you keep repeating
    the same old thing and getting the same old response.
    Some try celibacy...others simply change location. And maybe
    none of those will work for you.
    In my life if I stop wanting, the thing I had been wanting
    comes rushing at me to see if I really stopped wanting. Maybe
    it'll work for you.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. selfseeker
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    selfseeker

    Dear Dan,

    It is easier to understand with this model which I find good for me.

    There is Consciousness which is what You are & there is a body-mind entity which you know as "you" but it is really not the real You. This body-mind entity, is made in such a way that it is always in a state of restlessness .... looking at the outside world for something to satisfy this entity. This hunger, though arise at a very deep level due to being disconnected from the Source, expresses outwardly as hunger of the senses. You are not happy in this constant state of restlessness .... so you need something to keep yourself occupied ... this drives you towards seeking sensual pleasure, indulging in anything which keeps you simply occupied ... the senses become calm for a short while after satisfying hunger of a particular sense organ... but it doesn't last long & slowly you again come back to the same state of restlessness & the next cycle starts. This is a vicious cycle & you cannot come out of it easily.

    What to do ? It helps you immediately & effectively as you start seeing yourself as pure Consciousness separate from bod-mind entity ... you start seeing the hunger as not Your hunger but that of this body-mind ... start watching this body-mind entity's hunger, its restlessness & how it subsides & rises again. Don't be judgemental (as there is nothing right or wrong) ... just watch ... this will help you know that it is not your true nature to remain restless. The goal is to reach the point where the hunger may not disturb your calm. Always remind yourself that the cycle of rising hunger in the sense-organs & indulging in the activity to satisfy that hunger is the source of all pains & misery in this world.

    The restlessness is very difficult to go unless you connect yourself to the Source & feel always connected with that Source. This is the Only permanent solution to break this cycle & nothing else.

    But, is it necessary to physically cut off from this world completely ? Not necessarily. It is very important to remember that this "cut off" is to be done mentally ... without expecting anything & longing for anything. That is a state when you feel that you are complete in yourself ... simply connected to the Source. Pray to the Source ... leave it to Him to lead you to the correct path. Accept things the way you encounter them in your daily life. However, take part in life with all sincerity. Set your goal & do everything within your capacity to achieve that .... have strict discipline ... you must do what you consciously decide is good for you & don't do what you consciously decide is not good for you. Be ready to accept any result with all humility but try your best to achieve your set goal keeping your mind even.

    -----------------------------------------------

    On the basis of my familiarity with you on this forum so far, I feel that it is important for you to be successful in your career first. Think hard what you can do to achieve what you want. Is it possible ? Are the expectations within reach ? Why should there be an ambition too high ? How to achieve that which is possible. What are the other options ? Can you try some other options at the same time ? What are your weaknesses & how do you propose to overcome those ?

    This critical & objective analysis will show you the way. After this analysis, chalk out your plan & stick to the plan. Meditate & when the meditation is deep & you feel connected to the source, pray to God to help you in achieving your goal. This way you will develop dynamic will to attract things/people what you are looking for.

    Love ...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. BroDan
    Member

    BroDan

    Selfseeker,

    amazing, truly amazing post, I'm right there with you on everything you say as if I know what you speak of already.

    This whole thing of just being a witness, I've become ever more aware of this instead of getting involved with the games the ego takes us on we just watch. Of course the ego is so powerful it causes our bodies to appear to actually ache when it is never the case.

    Ok, to me 'God' and 'The Source' are the same thing just labelled differently, this is what feels right to me.

    Yes, I see the art is not to be cut off from the world completely but to simply allow or observe what ever it is our 'body-mind' as you call it needs to experience to let it's self ware it's self out and that 'I' which is only silence be the observer.

    The tricky thing of course is not leaning forward like a donkey when you see a carrot ! You can literally watch your body look, search, seek and chase for what ever it wants but I haven't as of yet mastered how to stay at home and let my body go out partying for the night with out me !! ha ha !

    If I was to stop looking, chasing and seeking love from another I'd be putting force on my ego as I would only be implying such force again from my ego in the first place so all I can do is as you say observe, witness and let go. To simply allow what ever process it is my 'body-mind' needs to go through to learn with out the illusionary 'I' getting involved, otherwise things get very deluded, this of course being the opposite of being in ones body or grounded.

    I'm only just keeping up with my thoughts as I write them.

    Hmmmmmmm . . .

    Thanks Selfseeker.

    Nemaste.

    x

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. BroDan
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    BroDan

    Ok guys,

    Watch this !

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx-8r79U1ko

    So, it's all about going at it alone, for ever I see.

    Oh well, better just get on with it.

    xxx

    Posted 1 year ago #

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