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Psychiatry

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  • Started 7 months ago by steveheivly
  • Latest reply from gatesofgrace

  1. steveheivly

    I hate psychiatry.. Psychiatry is not about healing people.. It's about trapping people and keeping them trapped for an indefinite period of time, and (what the psychiatrists hope for) for the rest of your life.. By doing this it makes people go crazy from the anxieties and stipulations of these evil people and more notably it kills their spirit which is the most important thing to us (but they exactly know that), a spirit that needs many things to survive.. They say if you aren't crazy when u go onto a psychiatric hospital that u will be when u leave... Psychiatrists are evil people who delight in the misery of social experiments they preform on people... Most people never make it... They were innocent from the dogs of war that psychyatry is and had no chance to begin with.. They never knew what they were up against.. First the psychiatrists blatently and openly get everyone u know to believe u have a mental illness (especially those closest to u)... Your response to this false diagnosis causes u to feel troubled (and it is this troubled feeling that the psychiatrists exactly count on).. Your family and friends start noticing this troubled behavior and start to distance themselves from u.. It is like a never ending paradox.. U can't feel better until u talk to them and convince them u aren't sick and they won't talk to u or stop believing u have an illness until you stop acting disturbed.. After awhile u go mad.... The psychiatrists anticipate this too... By then it's too late, nothing can be done and you are left to suffer the rest of your life which is absolutely terrifyingly awful.. The psychiatrists have now ruined your life... By then everybody believes u have a mental illness and you have no family or friends to talk to or support u in the way that u need it most... This leaves your spirit malnourished and broken because we need eachother to survive.. Then you start isolating and being quiet because it's embarassing to fight for your life and sanity.. And everyone puts pressure on you to shutup because nobody wants to hear a crazy person.. These atrocities need to stop!! This is the work of Satan!! Psychiatry is the work of Satan.. It destroys lives and families of countless millions worldwide... It must be stopped before everyone is destroyed and psychiatry becomes government... That is the path it is leading, and that is the path it will go if we don't do something about it.. That is all

    Posted 7 months ago #
  2. shin
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    shin

    What do you suggest instead?

    Posted 7 months ago #
  3. abstractprophet

    Are you talking from personal experience steven?

    Posted 7 months ago #
  4. steveheivly

    Yes personal experience lol

    Posted 7 months ago #
  5. abstractprophet

    I don't have much time to respond now cause I am at work but;

    Are you still feeling the despair and the loneliness?

    Do you still feel misunderstood due largely to the fact that deep in your heart is a thirst for love and a world where people act from a base of compassion and acceptance as opposed to rejection?

    Bless

    Posted 7 months ago #
  6. steveheivly

    I feel afraid to do what I know is right due to threats, manipulation and force that has happened to me. I have a yearning to grow and be spiritual and yet the closer I get to that the more the powers that be try to inflict pain and misery on me to try and stop me.. I am a firm believer in Christianity but believe wisdom can come in many places

    Posted 7 months ago #
  7. shin
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    shin

    Have you tried the Ho'oponopono process?

    "Ho'oponopono, as I understand it, is a Hawaiian based healing process that can be used to let go of all that shows up in your life as some type of suffering. Used consistently and with intent it has been known to transform your life."

    Just google for it.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  8. steveheivly

    I don't care too much for rituals or practices that can only profuce temporary relief.. Infact I would like to destroy the evil that is psychiatry... Eternal things are what is important to me.. Like glory and salvation

    Posted 7 months ago #
  9. shin
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    shin

    I don't care whether you care for something or not. That is entirely your issue. You are either willing to try something, even if you don't care for it, or not.
    You can either try to find a way to live a happier life or go on about destroying psychiatry, something the CCHR with all its resources (probably thousands of times greater than yours, including doctors of psychiatry, drug company lab technicians, etc) is not able to do.

    Glory and salvation are ego things, you really don't want to go there and make them important, do you? You need to look at other things, other realms, if you want protection from threats and manipulation.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  10. steveheivly

    Christianity is important

    Posted 7 months ago #
  11. shin
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    shin

    How does the suggested practice detract from Christianity?

    Morton T. Kelsey, a Christian pastor and counsellor writes this in one of his books (paraphrased): "Psychology has a lot of tools (for personal growth) but doesn't know where it wants to go to with them. Christianity knows exactly what its goal is, but doesn't have a clue how to get there."

    OK, Christianity. Better find a Jesuit then. This opinion is not broad based but is only based on the writings of the deceased Anthony de Mello. A Jesuit, a psychologist, and he kicks butt, big time.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  12. steveheivly

    Psychiatry is modern day witchcraft... And all witchcraft is evil, even so called good witchcraft

    Posted 6 months ago #
  13. shin
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    shin

    In that case just don't 'do' psychiatry.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  14. steveheivly

    LOL no... never!

    Posted 6 months ago #
  15. abstractprophet

    Just to take it back a step.

    Steve you said

    "I feel afraid to do what I know is right due to threats, manipulation and force that has happened to me. I have a yearning to grow and be spiritual and yet the closer I get to that the more the powers that be try to inflict pain and misery on me to try and stop me.. I am a firm believer in Christianity but believe wisdom can come in many places "

    Mate, I know this feeling well. I remember when I was in the pits of depression looking for anyone or anything to blame as well as the pain and lonliness that accompanied that. It had nothing to do with psychiatry for me but still I loved pointing the finger at how hollow the world that "I" perceived was.

    You know what though, through hanging tough and holding faith unbelivable gifts were presented through this suffering. It is more obvious in hindsight than ever.

    You will get through this and you will also be greatful for these challenges and the gifts they afford you.

    The best advice I could give would be to try and stay humble at all times, especially in accepting what has already happened.

    Also know if ever you need a friend or someone to express your anguish to just come here and if I am about I will at least listen to what you have to say, with as little judgement as possible. (I am busy though so it may take a week or so at times to respond)

    More Life

    :o)

    Posted 6 months ago #
  16. gatesofgrace
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    gatesofgrace

    Steve,

    Thanks for the post!

    If we imagine the insidious nature and greed that emanates from insurance companies, the use of psychiatry in the clutches of these types is a panacea for huge revenue, corruption and extortion. Here, psychology explored within a generic autonomy, apart from any spiritual or universal insight, creates doctrines of horrible underpinnings. Manifestos that spawn doctrines like communism or even capitalism offers new arena's to exploit all/any peoples caught up in them.

    You say you like or appreciate the works of Yeshua(Jesus)or Christianity. Imagine having an awareness that is all knowing. Then given a commission to offer insight (measures of righteousness) that would NOT be readily used... to exploit the masses. How would you teach or show the way in this? Knowing what could happen!

    Here's something you should know. Like a labyrinth the way (teachings) of the Lord is unable to be exploited for those who actually look into it. Consider the riddle of the labyrinth, for it is much like the Way of the Lord.

    *** A labyrinth has only one path. It is unicursal. The way in is the way out. There are no blind alleys. The path leads you on a circuitous path to the center and out again.

    A labyrinth is a right brain task. It involves intuition, creativity, and imagery. With a maze many choices must be made and an active mind is needed to solve the problem of finding the center. With a labyrinth there is only one choice to be made. The choice is to enter or not. A more passive, receptive mindset is needed. The choice is whether or not to walk a spiritual path.

    At its most basic level the labyrinth is a metaphor for the journey to the center of your deepest self and back out into the world with a broadened understanding of who you are. ***

    In the same way other religions of the world stand in this way. Steve, you are in very good hands. Believe in that!

    Posted 6 months ago #
  17. steveheivly

    I love the spiritual path, although it is scarry at times.. due to the stepping out of the comfort zone thing.. i have many visions and ideas about the kingdom of god, but am still only starting

    Posted 6 months ago #
  18. shin
    Member

    shin

    What does your spiritual path consist of, over and above just thinking?

    You should work together with a Spiritual Director and not just on your own.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  19. gatesofgrace
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    gatesofgrace

    Steve,

    With regards to your reference of "scarry" things, i can understand the very thing you might need, as shin has pointed out, is direction. Only it would be very difficult for you to follow or trust another, after dealing with the likes of psychiatry. That is understood!

    The mysteries that seem so eluding regarding spirituality is an act of realigning or balancing your insights. To say that he/she is an asshole is one reflection. Usually one that is directed from an impulse from self. In itself it may not be incorrect. That a given action is rather pathetic may be true.

    A spiritual insight in this, is to realize that any individual acting out so, is doing so in a manner, that is the very best they can be... in the world they are living in. This too is pathetic often enough, but from a source of empathy rather than judgment.

    When the Lord offered to follow me... and i will set you free. In large, he is talking about such things as judgment, bias, racism, favoritism and the like. One of the neatest offerings he gave was to inform all; that if you loved your family more than God, you are lacking in this kind of understanding and wisdom.

    con't

    Posted 6 months ago #
  20. gatesofgrace
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    gatesofgrace

    As a courier i was delivering dialysis fluid for a client. While unloading, a young boy of 8 or 9 was introduced, and he asked his father if he could help. I gratefully gave him a job to do and soon in discussion, it was revealed that his grandfather had just past away. I asked him what his thoughts were about where his grandfather had gone. He, as he was told said, "He has gone to heaven."

    I smiled and responded that perhaps that was true. I then asked him pointing to his heart, "What is in here?" He said, "My heart." "Have you ever seen it." I asked. "No!" he replied. "If i tore it out could you live?" "No way" he said. "And what is in here," as i pointed to his head. "My brain!" "Have you ever seen that", i asked. "No, silly i can't see my brain," he said. "Hmmmm"! i uttered. "If i toke that out could you live?" "Not a chance," he said. "Let me tell you something about your grandfather."

    With this he was completely attentive. I began by telling him, "Much like his heart and his brain (or his mind) there is another part inside him. Even as he cannot see the first two without being cut open, yet he believes they are there; a third part of his make up... is as well truly there, another that cannot be seen even if cut open. Yet, there is proof that the third part exist... let's call it the spirit. This was revealed when your grandfather died.

    "All three are required for one to live. Just like the mind cannot live without the heart nor the heart without the mind "the spirit" feeds the essence that was your grandfathers soul. The soul is the heart , mind and spirit combined. They first two need the third part... the spirit to actually live. This spirit, i like to call "The breath of God.".

    Consider: "Once the brain and the heart stop working the spirit is no longer required and returns.

    Only we don't need to wait until death to reveal the spirit. For if the heart and the mind can unite as one, together they awake the spirit that lives within you. This you can truly feel, the spirit awakes in the sadness you felt when your parents told you about grandfathers death. It is in the happiness when you receive a present on your birthday. In these times the heart and mind are one. In time and with training that spirit can be awaken almost all the time within you. The mind and heart must work as one first. Then when you die, let me assure you, your spirit will certainly return to a paradise prepared in the heavens.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  21. steveheivly

    interesting gatesofgrace, though many times i believe the unconcious and the spirit are already working and have yet to be awakened.. though careful awakening and "wrestling with god" would ensure sucess.. i just had a conversation with my pastor today about wrestling with god and how it is necessary because it is the only way we learn... i had some insight and realized i too was wrestling with god and a smile came to my face because i knew that would lead to wisdom.. in the bible joseph wrestled the angel and then the angel named him israel which means "to wrestle with god"

    Posted 6 months ago #
  22. gatesofgrace
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    gatesofgrace

    Sincerely you should know there are initially two types of souls. The first is so wrapped up in themselves searching for their own well beings they will not ever become like the second. The second as you say is already stirring inside and one becomes a seeker... to find this something apart from their own desires. This mystery is difficult to realize. To say that one of two souls will seek to follow the "way", while the other no matter what will refuse to do so.

    There was much debate amongst the disciples i believe regarding this. The conclusion of such things can be found, but it takes much faith and one need to be able to digest spiritual food. In the beginning, it is good for a seeker, much like a child to receive spiritual milk for a while to weigh the convictions that are soon to come. The convictions are good and are required for a while to keep one steadfast.

    Have you discovered the various stages of spirituality yet? That alone can guide the seeker.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  23. steveheivly

    Psychiatry has made a huge attempt to make me like the first... turning myself onto myself in order to disable me from being a threat to them, and yes i was a threat.. every believing christian is and that is why these evils hate god and hate christians...

    i was on the right path but something diverted me, probably the overwhelming pressure from psychiatry and those around me.. now its hard to focus and pay attention to things i know are imporatnt.. kinda like being drugged up.. oh and yes they put me on 2 very powerful psychiatric medicasionts which i know are poisioning me and stealing my focus and strength.. hard times indeed..

    Posted 6 months ago #
  24. shin
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    shin

    Please explain how every believing Christian is a threat to psychiatry, and why none of the Churches, except the Church of Scientology (but then they believe not in God but the Thetan), does not have a problem with psychiatry.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  25. TheWatcher

    I think that to say "psychiatry is the work of satan" might be going a little far...
    You may have had some bad personal experiences with psychiatry, but there's no denying that it has helped many people.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  26. steveheivly

    thats what they want you to believe, i have never seen a single person benefit in the long run from psychiatry

    Posted 6 months ago #
  27. shin
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    shin

    Excluding rare cases, e.g. organ transplants, that people are put on a life-long medication routine is indicative more of a failure of medicine than success.
    Preventative medicine, instead of trying to fix problems should be the aim. Actually they don't fix, they manage the problem, thus ensuring a steady stream of money into the pockets of the "health care" practitioners.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  28. gatesofgrace
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    gatesofgrace

    steve,

    There is an old saying, "People only hear what they want to here." Just as you have been asked a few questions above, your response's seem unable to "see" or address the questions. The Lord offers the same, "Those with ears let them hear." The point is the same. I suspect the psycho-analysis has left you very much on guard regarding this.

    Let me tell you the greatest read you could have at this crossroad. How to Know God by Deepak Chopra.

    You will be able to define who you are with this read, without having to defend yourself. Let me know if you do this. It fully explains the stuff your going thru and the level of awareness that you hear.

    Blessings!

    Posted 6 months ago #
  29. steveheivly

    I apologize for not having long responses... all the psych meds im on kind of distract my mind... i will try to answer previous posts now...

    ok its too difficult (cus thers too many posts to reaccount for) lol, but i do admit i read everything you guys posted, i just havn't had time to argue it back LOL, apologies.. if you want to try again i will try again...

    Posted 6 months ago #
  30. abstractprophet

    Are you still medicated steve?

    Do you think this is the root of your anger?

    Posted 6 months ago #

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